This year, it seems as though precedent could be broken in several key ways, chief among them, it might be the first year the Academy goes a different way from the Producers Guild, giving Boyhood the win over Birdman (they might settle the whole thing and just give it to Birdhood or Boyman). Why is that such a big thing? It would mean that for the first time since the Academy expanded its Best Picture slate that the PGA’s preferential ballot disagreed with the Academy’s.
Here are a few things to consider:
1) Last year’s tie with Gravity and 12 Years a Slave could signal some wiggle room in that regard. That showed a very tight race. The Academy split them, giving 12 Years Picture and Gravity director. Last year, though, Cuaron was winning everything and there was mostly an agreed upon split that kept happening throughout the season.
2) The last time a “comedy” lost the Globe (which Birdman has this year) and then won the Producers Guild was Little Miss Sunshine, which also won the SAG but did not win the Oscar.
3) The Academy only recently elected to shorten their date for “phase one” voting, meaning, before 2012, the Academy’s nominating ballots were turned in after the major guilds announced. While it doesn’t seem to impact wins, it does seem to impact perception and timing. There is something off about the consensus overall when their ballot deadlines are not in sync. Usually everything would have been pushed back to be before the Oscar ballot deadline – thus there was one long conversation. But once the Academy shifted its date back, weird things started to happen – Ben Affleck was not nominated for an Oscar but kept winning anyway — all the way to the end, where Argo took home the top prize.
This year, you see a little bit of that happening with Life Itself (not nominated for the Oscar) taking home the doc prize at the PGA, ditto The Lego Movie. I’m wondering if Gillian Flynn might rightly win the WGA and the Scripter, even though she wasn’t nominated for the Oscar – they passed on the one chance to honor a woman adapting her own novel for only the second time in Academy history. Hopefully the WGA will not pass on that. Hopefully the Scripter won’t either. If so, you could be seeing protests against the Academy being the be-all, end-all final say in awards season. As a sidenote on adapted screenplay, Whiplash is always put in the original category except for the Oscars.
What I mean to say is that you can’t really use history as a guide this year. Look at how wrong the major pundits have been from day one. Not only did no one (not Scott Feinberg, not Kris Tapley, not Anne Thompson, not Pete Hammond) see Birdman’s potential win coming, but most were divided between Boyhood and “anything but Boyhood,” meaning, they felt it was a weak frontrunner but they had not consensus on what might take it out. The reason is a silly one: we’ve all gotten the false impression that divisive movies can’t win in a consensus/preferential vote. Birdman is divisive – yet it won. That defies much of what we knew and what we thought about the voting. The jury is still out on what the Academy will do but suffice it to say that with 2015, all bets are off. It does not seem like a predictable race.
Will the BAFTA have any impact? It’s tough to say – wouldn’t it be funny, though, if Michael Keaton won Best Actor at the BAFTA instead of their hometown Eddie Redmayne? That would certainly shed some doubt on the Best Actor race. I don’t think the BAFTA will matter that much unless they go for Boyhood all the way (which they and everyone else should).
As far as Best Picture goes, you can pretty much bank on the DGA. Why they — a 14,500 membership of lots of people who have no business deciding “best directing” have so much power is a mystery but they’ve correctly predicted Best Picture (or Best Director if not Best Picture or both) going all the way back to the year 2000, which really reminds me of this year more than any other.
In the year 2000 (my first full year as an Oscar blogger) you had three movies heading into the race. The Oscars were held in March, thus there was a lot of time to ruminate on it, discuss it and cause ripples in voting. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon won the DGA, while Gladiator won the PGA. Traffic won the SAG and the Eddie. In the end, Gladiator won Best Picture, Soderbergh won Best Director and Crouching Tiger won a lot of the tech awards.
So far, we have one movie winning both the PGA and the SAG. We have the DGA and the Eddie still coming up but they might help clarify things. What we do know about Boyhood is that it is really one of those movies like The Hurt Locker and The Artist that needs support from the inside because it isn’t a “big” movie from the outside – it certainly isn’t as big as the three films dominating the race in 2000. Birdman is only marginally “bigger” than Boyhood – but it appeals more to the steak eater types than Boyhood, which is probably giving it the edge. People in the business like to think that what they do is important – thus, movies about the industry tend to draw votes. The third film in the race, The Imitation Game, isn’t really winning much so far but it’s snagged the all-important DGA and Oscar nods for Best Director. It’s slightly “bigger” than Birdman or Boyhood. American Sniper is bigger than all of them but it’s without a Best Director nomination at the Oscars.
But wouldn’t it be funny if—
Clint Eastwood won the DGA and Sniper won Best Picture
Eastwood’s in his ’80s and just made a movie that will be the highest grossing film of 2014, landing at around $400 million. Sure, it’s name checked by Sarah Palin in campaign speeches and brought up at NRA rallies and being used to justify the war as being on the right side of God but the film critics are standing up for Sniper, trying hard to undo the damage the right has done in appropriating the film as one of their own (“Clint Eastwood, isn’t he the guy who talked to the chair at the RNC?”)
In a year where everything is up in the air, you really can’t count on anything.
Let’s do a quick chart tracking Best Picture and Best Director since 2009 (keeping in mind the shifts in voting deadlines, and the major shifts in how the BAFTA votes, which started in 2012, I think).
In one way, you can look at that chart and think, wow, Boyhood is headed where Social Network was — big picture on that? If I had a choice of which movie to be in 2015 I’d rather be The Social Network…the Academy looks to be stuck in the past with their choice for Best Picture of the Year. They opted out of the actual best film of the year and relied only on emotion to make that choice. This chart also tells me that one year is not like any other year. Argo had the best run of all of them because his lack of director nod at the Academy gave them urgency to vote. But Avatar and Hurt Locker told their won story, as did The Artist and Hugo, Gravity and 12 Years a Slave. We don’t know what 2015’s story will be yet.
Perhaps this is a year that the consensus goes against that inclination to pick something other than the film that really deserves to win. Who knows, right? The season has offered up nothing but surprises do far, thrusting the pundits to run around the hen house like chickens with our heads cut off. Some people prefer it this way. I prefer the best to win. All eyes on the DGA.
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“Also, every organization that has had a chance to award a “Best Comedy” anything–the Globes, Critics Choice, and now the Ace Eddies–has gone for GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL.”
This can also be “explained away”, just like you can “explain away” the PGA and SAG wins (the way you do), or even Boyhood’s many precursor wins so far (by saying it’s the critics’ darling, but those only sometimes do as well with the industry). Even its ACE win (I already have, in another thread). Birdman is a dark drama with some comedic elements, whereas Budapest is a pure comedy with some dramatic elements. Of course Budapest is more likely to win “Best Comedy anything”! And Birdman is also probably the least edited movie of the year (which is why it got snubbed at the Oscars), so it was never going to win an award voted on by editors alone. What’s strange is that it even got nominated – and my guess is, had it not been a BP contender all the way, and had there not been a comedy category, it wouldn’t have been.
I’m not saying these are necessarily valid arguments – but then neither are those by people trying to “explain away” Birdman’s guild wins…
Bryce: Ida is just as deserving, granted. In a perfect world it would be between the two of them, but Birdman will win this.
I think Actor can be looked at this way: Eddie Redmayne won the Globe, when the HFPA could also award Keaton; SAG went for Redmayne when they could include Keaton among the Ensemble. Keaton is the only non-biopic player among the five Best Actor nominees. I tend to think that the stars of the Academy’s allegedly favorite genre, will cancel each other out. I really think it’s hard to imagine a scenario in which Keaton doesn’t win, especially given the popularity of BIRDMAN with the guilds.
BOYHOOD, BIRDMAN, or GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL–whichever won–would instantly go into the top ten of the 87 Best Picture winners. Looked at historically, 2014, which looked like a pitifully weak year for movies while it was going on, is going to appear a golden age! The medium of cinema wins no matter what.
Plus, AMERICAN SNIPER storms into the cultural conversation just as many of us were convinced that movies ceased “to matter,” that it had all gone to TV. I think AS is a flawed masterwork, an ambivalent and largely objective character study of a soldier created by “the War on Terror.” I recommend watching it in conjunction with THE WAR TAPES, Deborah Scranton’s great 2006 documentary, made from DV tapes taken on the helmets of four American soldiers in Iraq in 2004. Whatever possessed Clint Eastwood to make that appearance at the 2012 GOP Convention–when he had declared 20 years before that the Republicans had at that time moved too far to the right and that he voted for Ross Perot in that year’s election–he has paid the price in a perception of his filmmaking so warped that some viewers will probably never be persuaded that all of his films aren’t right-wing tracts (despite the fact that the likes of Michael Medved and Rush Limbaugh attacked his UNFORGIVEN-through-MILLION DOLLAR BABY work.
Otherwise, THE IMITATION GAME, which plays Alan Turing as a non-homosexual gay man somewhere in the Sheldon Cooper range on the autistic spectrum, is the sort of travesty that gives biopics a bad name. The fact that it’s come up empty again and again this awards season demonstrates that audiences appreciate its ambition but sense something a little off (as well as formulaic) about it. How off is it ? Read this: http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/dec/19/poor-imitation-alan-turing/.
Finally, yes, I am longing to see Alexandre Desplat finally win an Oscar, for his transcendent score of THE GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL. While Desplat’s music can be little more than hackwork, which is why he has never won in seven previous nomination (Not that mediocrity always explains multiple Oscar losses (See Deakins, Roger). Desplat’s other nomination this year, for THE IMITATION GAME, is an unfortunate example of said hackwork. Desplat’s work with Wes Anderson has been inspired, never more so than in GRAND BUDAPEST. I would love to see his Anderson score win, over a notably weak field this year.
”I wish there was some way we could stop this snowball (rolling downhill with no cuts) that automatically locks the award for Best Cinematography to Lubezki again.” I’m with you. I’m thinking that he’s being rewarded for the physical feat of a hyper-long tracking shot than the film’s actual imagery or visual storytelling. Besides, he won last year, and I’d rather see the Academy spread the wealth.
Pope would be a terrific choice for his painterly ”Mr. Turner,” but I gotta admit that there’s a sentimental side of me that’s rooting for Roger Deakins (”Unbroken”). This is his 12th Oscar nomination (and his credits include ”The Shawshank Redemption,” ”Fargo,” ”No Country for Old Men,” etc.). He’s won 3 prizes from the American Society of Cinematographers, but is currently the living cinematographer with the most Oscar nominations without a win. Hope he doesn’t have to break George J. Folsey’s record of 13 Oscar nominations without a win. His credits included ”Seven Brides for Seven Brothers” and ”Meet Me in St. Louis.” Folsey got the ASC’s first Lifetime Achievement Award in 1988, just 6 months before he died at age 90.
TO SASHA,etc when is awards daily starting it’s annual predict twinners contest???
Out of those nominated, I’d go with IDA, but in complete agreement with you guys about Pope’s work in TURNER, which along SELMA, is possibly the only “period” that effortlessly assimilated the aesthetic possibilities of digital. The touchstone, to my mind, remains Dod Mantle’s service to RUSH, but that guy is like the leading eminence when it comes to those new gadgets!
My preferences this year:
1. Robert Elswit – INHERENT VICE
2. Mikhail Krichman – LEVIATHAN
3. Valentyn Vasyanovych – THE TRIBE
4. Bradford Young – SELMA
5. Daniel Landin – UNDER THE SKIN
6. Timo Salminen – JAUJA
7. Jeff Cronenweth – GONE GIRL
8. Seamus McGarvey – GODZILLA
9. Ryszard Lenczewski, Lukasz Zal – IDA
10. Roman Vasynov – FURY
Wow, Ryan, that’s the second time in 24 hours that we appear to agree on something!;)
My vote would go to Dick Pope as well.
Or that ”Birdman” could walk away with only cinematography?
me, I wish there was some way we could stop this snowball (rolling downhill with no cuts) that automatically locks the award for Best Cinematography to Lubezki again.
Dick Pope did the most outstanding work in cinematography this year, and Dick Pope somehow managed to do gorgeous, evocative, essential work without turning Best Cinematography into Best Trick-Shot Triathlon Fancy Dance Marathon.
”But I expect the Oscar tally to look like this: BOYHOOD 4 (Picture, Director, Supp. Actress, Editing), BIRDMAN 2 (Actor, Cinematography), GRAND BUDAPEST 4 or 5 (Orig. Screenplay, Costumes, Prod. Design, Makeup, and–I hope–Music Score), AMERICAN SNIPER 3 (Adapted Screenplay, Sound Mixing and Sound Editing). THE IMITATION GAME will be this year’s AMERICAN HUSTLE, an overrated and much-nominated movie that leaves on Oscar night empty-handed.”
I pretty much agree with this scenario, and I especially love the prediction that Alexander Desplat wins for his wonderful score to ”Grand Budapest.” But … there are a couple of variables: If Eddie Redmayne surges and overtakes Michael Keaton, that would give ”Theory of Everything” one Oscar. (Its other best shot is score.) It’s safe to assume that ”Selma” wins Best Song and J.K. Simmons wins Best Supporting Actor. And I still think ”Imitation Game” could take Adapted Screenplay. If this scenario comes to pass, each one of the eight Best Picture nominees will come away with at least one win. … But is it possible that ”Budapest” will win the most Oscars? Or that ”Birdman” could walk away with only cinematography? Hmmm …
Robert, thanks for directing me to Nathaniel Rogers. His Birdman podcast (http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2014/11/2/podcast-birdman-pride-and-nightcrawler.html) with 1-2 people who also didn’t like the movie (for the same reasons as others) answered most of my questions. He (and the other guy who liked it) came up with specific and convincing arguments as to what they thought the movie was saying, and addressed some of the other specific criticisms in the process, which is what I wanted to hear. I’m at peace at last… 🙂 I just need to watch Birdman one more time now, to form some definitive conclusions, see if I still love it and disagree with its critics.
Big thanks to everybody who answered my plea!
Thanks, Julian! As always, you make so much sense!… So you’re saying even though you think its message isn’t what I would like it to be (deep, interesting, original), it doesn’t mean you’re right, necessarily, and it could be a result of your subjective approach. I can sort of live with that, even though I still find it very strange that the only people who are making any strong claims either way on this exact point are those who share your opinion. But, oh well… Sometimes one has to just accept one’s ignorance, I guess. Thanks for at least trying to make me understand! 🙂
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Just wanted to say that Patricia Arquette is such a knockout! Great pic.
Another great discussion, you guys. These days I’m remitting myself to read what (some) of you guys say on the comments sections and not participating in the least — though the question which sprung in my mind as I read the thread is how deep is BIRDMAN compared to the film GRAVITY. I’m the opinion that very little, and I mean of that brief specific arbitrary universe in which we’ll compare BIRDMAN to Cuaron’s GRAVITY — which I’m doing right now — I just hope that’s not the dying of the light that I’m seeing right now…and I or someone else can continue to elucidate BIRDMAN’s merits seen through the prism of “effects-driven” GRAVITY as the benchmark of profundity…father, mother…
Claudiu: What I wrote (since you keep referring to my words, I’m gonna talk about my words here) is just that, words. I wrote them in a hurry, actually. So don’t let my words discourage you. Engage with them, fine, but don’t put them on some pedestal where they don’t belong. They don’t matter anymore than your words matter. I’m just putting forth my observations on Birdman, how I reacted to it. Remember, my reaction to Birdman has as much to do about me and what engages me, or speaks to me, than it has to do with the actual movie. I’m unintentionally biased against a LOT of things, a lot of works of art, because they just don’t speak to me. You should never let that dictate how YOU feel about something. Trust your instincts.
But for the record, I think that I generally tend to respond to the bigger picture when I watch a movie. I don’t get too caught up in details, except when someone point them out to me. I know how I feel about a movie instantly, it’s very instantaneous, basic instinct (no pun intended). A movie feels a certain way to me and I react to that. Then afterwards, sure, I tend to intellectualize that initial response, but that don’t change how I feel much. Though, I will say this, sometimes my reaction changes with further viewings. The Master, for instance, I found it unsatisfying on a first viewing. Now, I have probably seen it five or six times and I think it’s great, it makes sense to me.
You seem to be more about details, Claudiu. You care about the details, you want everything to fit. You want to be able to explain everything so that it fits the greater artistic vision. I’m not really prone to that. I don’t care if I don’t ‘get’ everything in a movie. That doesn’t bother me. It’s just minor ripples, you know, it don’t distract the general course of where I’m headed with a movie, and it doesn’t detract from the experience of watching it (if anything, it’s an incentive to re-watch it). You can appreciate a movie for how it makes you feel, that don’t mean you have to account for everything within it.
Ok, I should shut up for now, I’m just trying to, basically, say this: We all have different ways of appropriating art. Each and every one of us have our little idiosyncrasies and quirks that inform the way we distill and digest movies. No one argument is necessarily better than the other, because they are all born from the same impulse: to grasp whatever needs to be grasped. This is as far from an exact science as is possible. If you fail your math test, be worried. If you feel like you fail in a discussion about movies, say: fuck the rest!;)
Claudiu, pay no attention to me this time of year. I’m in mourning for too many of my pet favorites that got run over to feel very kindly towards the popular parade floats than ran over them.
Just because you feel one way about a movie and I feel another way does not mean that my feelings are right. I am wrong a lot. Lots of people will say I’m wrong most of the time. Ask literally all the 7000 people who have ever come with spitting distance of me how badly wrong I often am.
And I don’t feel like doing anything else.
This is so messed up… I’m going back to sleep for a bit, I feel exhausted.
I am literally unable to watch anything new right now, because I’m no longer confident in my ability to evaluate it correctly, unless it’s wholly superficial, somehow. But even then, who knows, I, in my ignorance, might still think it’s deep – I thought Birdman was deep, after all…
Normally, I’d agree with you on that, Robert, but I’m having a particularly big problem getting past this one paragraph (because I don’t see how the claim it makes could ever be seen as “open to interpretation” – IS the message of the movie obvious and/or cliched, and not that interesting, or not? And, if not, then why should I believe you for saying so, instead of Julian, who has pretty much convinced me I don’t have a clue what’s challenging or deep?):
“Everything Inarritu says about modern life (the usual qualms of the contrarian) is so basic to invite only a shrug. He doesn’t say anything that I would consider challenging or deep. He says whatever is expected of the modern-day contrarian who views Hollywood with disdain and thinks social media have a corrosive influence on our everyday existence, our ability to be in sync with ourselves and the reality at hand. Whether he is right or not, is not really important. It doesn’t enhance the art, it only enhances his agenda.”
” …but somebody has to be right…”
See, that’s where I and a lot of other people disagree with you. You’re thinking that there’s a “right” and a “wrong” answer to taste, when there’s not. It’s just subjective opinion. If you like chicken and your friends don’t like chicken, and they give long evaluations of why they don’t like chicken, and you can’t quite articulate as fully why you do like chicken, that doesn’t mean they’re “right” and you should stop liking chicken. Just eat the damn chicken!
*bows and dramatically exits the stage, camera tracking me, of course*
No, not really… 🙂
“The negative critique of Birdman that you posted above seems intelligent and pretty well-reasoned. Do I agree with it? Nope. Is it going to change my mind about the movie? Nope. Do I feel a need to have to offer a lengthy counter-argument to it? Again, no”
OK, but HOW can you not agree with it – it makes so much sense… The people who attack it give specific examples of things they thought were pretentious in it, like the comedic tone, the ugly/shallow message, the fact that it has nothing truly interesting to say (even though, to me, what it says is extremely interesting – but somebody has to be right, and, honestly, it doesn’t look as though it’s me), the unnecessary ambiguity etc.. None of which I agree is wrong or misused, but I still can’t find the words to explain it. And the thing is everybody is saying this, everybody that hates it is saying the exact same things, and I’ve not yet heard a rebuttal. Just SAYING it’s not so… is that really enough? Are there really no words to explain WHY, or HOW it’s not so?
What conclusion am I to draw from this, other than there’s nothing to actually say in the movie’s defense, when confronted with these very powerful arguments?
“It seems every thinking person in this world hated this movie, and for mostly the same reasons (which will be given below).”
Huh? I consider myself a fairly thinking person, and Birdman is my #2 in this year’s nominees after Boyhood. There are a lot of intelligent people who are fans of Birdman (including Nat Rogers over on The Film Experience), so you shouldn’t think you’re alone. Birdman is particularly under attack right now because it’s the potential BP winner. This happens every year all over the Interwebs: the movie that takes the lead in the BP race gets huge backlash from detractors. You can count on it every year. It’s just part of Oscar season these days.
But also, Claudiu, why do you feel a need to defend Birdman from every person who posts a negative critique? This doesn’t have to turn into a lengthy debate that you have to “win” or get in the last word. The negative critique of Birdman that you posted above seems intelligent and pretty well-reasoned. Do I agree with it? Nope. Is it going to change my mind about the movie? Nope. Do I feel a need to have to offer a lengthy counter-argument to it? Again, no (I got tired of typing “nope.”)
I guess my point is, if you’re responding to a movie strongly, if your inner Claudiu is saying you love it, trust that instinct. As is true with most things in life, sometimes what we love defies analysis. Sometimes we can’t even fully articulate why we love something the way we do, we just do. You don’t have to construct the most flawless argument in defense of it to validate that response.
I didn’t answer your question, though, did I?
I have a strong feeling that this year, the PGA smashing with the Oscars Will be broken and that Boyhood Will win BP. I know the preferential ballot tells something and matchs most of the Time but I feel this year Will be an exception
(I hope the moderators let me post this, because I’m at my wits’ end, and I don’t know what else to do here…)
OK – I have a challenge for you guys! 🙂 I need the help of some Birdman fans, if there are any here (that feel strongly enough about it to help me out)… It seems every thinking person in this world hated this movie, and for mostly the same reasons (which will be given below). I loved it, but I’m simply not smart enough to be able to counter these people’s arguments effectively, or even figure out whether they are clearly right about the movie sucking, and I am clearly wrong, or if it’s, at least, dependent on the person, and not a fault of the movie itself.
I feel stupid that I simply can’t hate the movie too, like all the cool kids, so I’m going to try one last, desperate thing: let other people, smarter than I, try to see if they can come up with a good rebuttal to this person’s comments on the movie, which, I believe, reflect rather well pretty much everybody’s criticisms of it. I’m sorry if you think this means I can’t think for myself – maybe you’re right, even though you should know I’ve tried, and I just can’t find the arguments, but don’t FEEL, in my heart of hearts, that I should just be giving up on this movie, and start hating it like everybody else. Which is why I’m asking for your help… Can anybody, please, help me?
The person who wrote the initial comment will, of course, be able to counter any arguments brought forth to defend Birdman, should there be any (I’m hoping against hope). I will confirm the person’s identity, should they decide to come forth and defend their point of view, which I believe they will, since they seem to feel rather strongly about it, as does everybody else who hates the movie. I hope they can forgive me my little indiscretion (not asking for permission), but, if they can’t, they should at least know that I take these things to heart, and I have been very upset by all of the hate this movie has been receiving. I’m not doing this for fun, or to try to play a sick joke on anybody… Besides, the post is public, so I could have just linked to it instead. I just think this is better for all those involved.
Here is the comment in question, word for word, edited only as far as spacing of paragraphs goes, to avoid that the poster be TOO easily identified, in case they should wish to avoid it:
“I still don’t really like it, despite all of the technical flair with which it’s executed (and the ensemble doing pretty much exemplary work). What I see is still a script laden with pretension heavy as lead. I don’t think the writing is anywhere near as inspired as some of the technical marvels at display. There are numerous examples: The most satiric moments in the movie (the scene with the critics for example) is a cheap shot (that Barthes allusion is pointless and not very well executed), the rendezvous at the bar with the theater critic is a parody (I only accept it as somehow valid if the entire movie is seen through the prism of Riggan’s madness, and that’s not really interesting to me, because he’s not an interesting character to begin with, an ignoramus, basically, but an ignoramus devoid of comical meaning – as a case study his is more tedious than tragic).
Everything Inarritu says about modern life (the usual qualms of the contrarian) is so basic to invite only a shrug. He doesn’t say anything that I would consider challenging or deep. He says whatever is expected of the modern-day contrarian who views Hollywood with disdain and thinks social media have a corrosive influence on our everyday existence, our ability to be in sync with ourselves and the reality at hand. Whether he is right or not, is not really important. It doesn’t enhance the art, it only enhances his agenda.
The problem with Birdman ultimately is this: It’s a movie that so obviously pines for seriousness, but in a deceptively light form (the comic aspect of the movie), it’s trying to deliver a message but at the same time trying to obscure that message so it seems shrouded in ambiguity. But Inarritu at heart is not an ambiguous filmmaker, he is a didactic, message-driven filmmaker. His technical solutions are well-executed this time around, but the core of his movie is the same old Inarritu: ‘The world is fucked, but I have figured out what’s wrong. Now go, follow me!’ To me, that’s not interesting. I want artists probing questions, not pointing to solutions.”
“DGA was 100% from a different set years where PGA was not. So I think you’re picking and choosing the set of years where it favors Birdman.”
Lol, that’s a non-argument. The DGA has NOT had its conditions change in any way (like the PGA has), so you HAVE to consider all years, otherwise you’re ignoring evidence for absolutely no logical reason. You can’t just randomly choose 2007-2012 (for example) and ignore 2013, and all the years before 2006 – there’s NO LOGICAL BASIS for that. There is, however, a VERY logical basis for only considering the PGA results since the switch to preferential. You seem to understand that argument, so I won’t go over it again, though, the way you keep coming back to the same things, I wouldn’t be surprised if you’d start questioning that one again too, despite the fact that we’ve agreed to disagree on this point.
So, no, I’m not picking years where it favors Birdman. I’m picking years where it’s ACTUALLY SIMILAR to this year (as in: also under the preferential ballot). Do you honestly think I’m dumb enough that if Boyhood had won the PGA instead, and Birdman only the SAG, I would still be predicting Birdman? (this is a reductive example, so you’ll see my point) Come on… Let’s not treat each other like toddlers, OK?!…
“But I still think it’s a leap of faith on your part to believe that the preferential ballot voting will always match with the Oscars.”
Thanks for completely misunderstanding!… I am obviously not saying that – would I not be saying Birdman is a lock then? Do you need me to give you percentages, to understand what I’m talking about? I am saying the PGA is MORE LIKELY (not necessarily A LOT more likely, but more likely nonetheless), after 5 years of doing so, to again match, than it is to not match (in the absence of any other information, this is beyond obvious – ask any bookie what THEY’D bet on if the had ONLY the PGA to go on -, but even when considering all of the other specific evidence for this year), meaning OVER 50%. Let’s say, 60% chances that it does (in which case Birdman, obviously, wins), 40% that it doesn’t (in which case either Boyhood, almost all of the time, or something else, wins).
I don’t want to sound rude, but you weren’t kidding about that ADD thing – I don’t get how you can misunderstand something so simple, when all I’ve ever said, in my 100 posts, or whatever, is that the race is SUPER-CLOSE and that Birdman is a SLIGHT FAVORITE (60% to 40% is NOT a big margin, as I’m sure you’re aware). So, no, man, no leap of faith… Why do you have to try and belittle me with these subtle jabs, like I won’t catch on, or something?! I thought we were having a nice conversation and treating each other with respect…
“The tie last year proves TO ME that it’s not the slam dunk as you like to believe. It can be tenuous.”
Like I said, this proves nothing ABOUT THIS YEAR (it only proves how close it was last year – there’s not yet any real evidence that, within the industry, it’s close between Birdman and Boyhood; the DGA win for Boyhood would be a bit of evidence, but, as we know from last year – and other years, given the DGA’s poor predicting record -, that could just mean it’s the favorite for Best Director, not necessarily picture), except for the fact that, since last year was so close, despite Gravity’s many statistical problems, it’s clear evidence that, since even Gravity could have won, with MULTIPLE snubs, then A SINGLE snub (the editing snub) is hardly enough evidence to take Birdman out of what, otherwise (meaning, had that snub not happened) everybody (except for you, with your 74% DGA stat) would agree is a significant lead for BP, almost a lock, at least until the DGA announcement, when, if Boyhood won, it would become a race, but still with Birdman well in the lead.
And I WOULD agree to disagree, if you stopped insulting my intelligence by misrepresenting what I say and ignoring the counter-arguments I give you. I tried to be 100% nice about it, but you keep doing it – I can only take so much. You probably think there’s a mess in my head and I’ll forget what arguments I’ve given before, and you want to take advantage of that, but you’re wasting your time (and, sadly, also mine) going down that road. I can assure you I’m perfectly clear on everything I’ve said, in any thread, at any given time this year or last year, with regards to the stats. Have you SEEN any evidence yet that this might not be so? Then, why repeat the same arguments?
Again: give me real arguments, tell me something I don’t know, or that haven’t already addressed, put things in a new light (I emphasize: a NEW light) and then we can have an interesting discussion once more!
“You can choose to ignore this, I believe, very powerful piece of evidence – I choose to embrace it. ”
And how you embrace it! I’m not ignoring it, but I’m not embracing it as tightly as you do. And that’s where we differ in this year’s race. PGA is 100% correct from 2007 to 20013. DGA was 100% from a different set years where PGA was not. So I think you’re picking and choosing the set of years where it favors Birdman. Not to say that you’re being intellectually dishonest. I know it’s the most recent, and I know you believe because of the preferential ballot (in the last 5 years). But I still think it’s a leap of faith on your part to believe that the preferential ballot voting will always match with the Oscars. 5 years is not that big of a sampling. I know you know that.
The tie last year proves TO ME that it’s not the slam dunk as you like to believe. It can be tenuous.
Anyway. Agree to disagree. And we all have about 3 weeks to change our mind. 🙂
“If Boyhood wins DGA, then it will be the similar scenario as LMS vs. The Departed.”
Except that it’s not, in any other way than the guild win distribution, and even that is questionable due to the preferential ballot switch happening in the meantime – would LMS have won under the preferential system? Would The Departed have won Best Picture under the preferential system? Maybe Babel would have – don’t remember many people hating that one, except for me :), and it had won the Globes, for example. There was no clear consensus that year, the major precursors were split pretty evenly.
And, apart from this one, debatable, similarity, the situation is different in almost every other way. Nomination count (which we KNOW is less important under the preferential ballot – stats prove it), lack of director nomination for Little Miss Sunshine (in addition to editing), Marty’s overdue factor (this year both Linklater and Inarritu are overdue, and Inarritu is more likely to be CONSIDERED overdue BY THE ACADEMY, as they’ve shown him far more love than Linklater in the past) etc. – can you name one more relevant similarity between the two? Maybe the fact that LMS and Birdman both competed in comedy at the Globes, and lost, and The Departed (who lost, by the way) and Boyhood in drama. But even this is not actually valid, because it could only be considered relevant due to the gender bias, which Birdman, however, has no reason to feel likely to be affected by, since it’s much more drama than comedy, which Little Miss Sunshine was not (it was more comedy than drama, and the tone was way less serious/grave). Honestly, to insist on comparing these two, extremely different cases (and movies/contenders – LMS and Birdman) seems like an irrational reaction to me, at best, and an attempt to win the argument at all costs, irrespective of the truth, at worst. I’m sure it’s the former, in your case – because you hadn’t considered it carefully -, because you seem like a very reasonable guy.
“If analysis of such a small sample is inconclusive, then at the same time I’d just wish people would stop bragging about the SAG & PGA winning combo.”
1. It’s NOT inconclusive, in general. It’s very useful as a guideline IF IT FITS THE PATTERN for the year you’re trying to predict. It’s just that 2006 simply does NOT fit this pattern. So far, 2010 fits it, almost perfectly. And there are actually a lot of other examples that fit it a lot better than 2006 – again, see my analysis.
2. You’re comparing a 1-item sample size to a 9-item sample size, happening over 18 years or so. I hardly think it’s the same thing. You CAN say a 9-item sample size is also not enough to be relevant mathematically, but I still disagree that it’s not relevant BECAUSE OF THAT (mathematical theory has its limitations), and think it’s not profitable in the long run to not take it into account. But I agree to disagree on this point, as I’ve said before. We can argue over it AGAIN, later (this is at least the second time), I won’t complain, I like our discussions, but I would prefer it if you’d remember this about me and my views, so I won’t have to repeat myself in the next thread where we debate who the favorite is… 🙂
“In the last 19 years the DGA predicts the winner 74% of the time, while PGA is 66%. Edge to DGA win.”
Again I have to repeat myself… The PGA’s record is 5/5 since 2009 (and 7/7 since 2007, actually), and only 60-65% before 2009 (or 2007). Clearly, something has changed, something very drastic. Just like something changed for the editing stat around the time it began its current run. You can say the PGA’s pattern changing is accidental, but it’s harder to argue with the editing stat’s pattern, because the streak since 1980 is just too long, and one kind of proves the other (since one isn’t accidental, it kind of follows that, most likely, no such changes are). So it’s actually EXTREMELY LIKELY that the switch to the preferential system HAS changed the PGA’s likelihood to predict the award, and much improved it, which is what the stats indicate, strongly. You can choose to ignore this, I believe, very powerful piece of evidence – I choose to embrace it. We can agree to disagree, yet again…
I choose to assign the PGA a very high probability of matching the Oscar for BP under the current circumstances, way closer to 100% (though, of course, not 100%, nothing is 100%) than the 60-65% it had before, and MOST DEFINITELY way more than the DGA’s lousy 74%, which is an extremely low accuracy rate for a BP stat. I don’t even consider anything under 80%, and under 90% I always try to combine them, to get better accuracy, even at the expense of a reduction of the sample size – as long as it’s not TOO much of a reduction, to something like under 4-5 items, which I know might seem arbitrary, but I like it, and I believe pretty much any combination meeting this requirement should be valid and very, very useful, if the percentages are also adequate – whenever the situation allows, like this year, combining PGA and SAG, to reach the higher percentages that the less obvious BP races (such as this year’s) require in order to find the favorite.
Of course, the trick would be to take into account ALL of the possible strong (and relevant) combinations, so that there’s no stat (again with at least 4-5 examples and a percentage over 80%, or, preferably, over 90%) that is even more accurate (has a better percentage), and NEGATES the conclusions drawn from your other stats. I think I’ve covered my bases (in my analysis above) for this year pretty well. I don’t know that there’s a stat like that going for Boyhood and against Birdman. I believe the sample size is reduced too much with all of the possible attempts, and the few precedents remaining differ in crucial ways from this year’s race. Maybe I’m wrong. I would LOVE IT if you pointed out such a combined stat to me, and I may very well change my prediction if I deem that stat more relevant than the stats that are making me predict Birdman at the moment. The editing stat is NOT that stat, though (and I’ve written whole pages on why, by now, I’m sure), it’s not strong enough and not relevant enough, in this particular case.
This is how I do things. You may think it’s stupid/ignorant, and I don’t even mind that, because I’m confident enough in my logical abilities, and I also know that even the smartest people in the world don’t know and understand everything. But, if you want to convince me (and others) that I’m wrong, you’re going to have to actually explain it to me with convincing arguments, not repeat stats with under 90% accuracy rates and beat a dead horse on the whole small sample size issue, and such, all of which I can assure you I’d already considered long before we first started debating this year’s race. You’re going to have to tell me something I don’t know, and convince me that it’s accurate. I’m confident enough to not be convinced by persistence alone, if not backed up by convincing arguments, but not inflexible enough to not be convinced by said arguments, if they are, indeed, presented. (Which, so far, has not been the case, at least in this particular debate.) At least I think – and hope – that I am.
“I think Claudiu your analysis is a little too Birdman-centric. How many ways can I come up with to make Birdman still the favorite.”
I knew people would think that, but they’re wrong, because I don’t ignore any of the arguments in favor of Boyhood either, and I don’t bend the arguments in favor of Birdman to make its chances look better than the pure stats indicate. I think this is obvious from my analysis. I know you don’t mean anything by it, believe me – I know you’re one of the good guys, not like Zooey 🙂 (sorry, Zooey, I can’t think of another example – I’m sure you’re not really that bad -, because everybody here is usually so nice and reasonable) -, but you’re accusing me of something I think you’d realize I’m not actually doing, if you took a careful look at my posts, in their entirety.
BELIEVE ME, it would make me A LOT sadder to pick the wrong favorite for the Oscars than if Birdman lost and I picked the right winner! A LOT… That’s my main obsession in life – I SIMPLY HATE making errors in judgement, they drive me crazy, they make me doubt myself beyond reason. You cannot possibly begin to fathom just how much I hate that. Birdman losing BP this year (especially to Boyhood, which would be a very good BP winner anyway) would mean NOTHING, literally nothing, to me, in comparison to that, as much as I love it. Which is why I’m so obsessed with the stats, when it comes to the BP race… Now, if American Sniper won… 🙂 THAT would really piss me off! But even that, nowhere near as much as if I got the winner wrong. If I get the winner wrong, you might see me give up on predicting altogether – or some other extreme reaction like that. And I’m aware of it, and I don’t want that AT ALL. So, you can rest assured, I’m taking every precaution against that that I can think of. I just truly believe, based on all I’ve read/analyzed/seen over the years, and this year, that Birdman is the safe bet (as Sasha put it) right now. Not A SAFE BET, but, if one MUST bet, then the SAFEST bet.
I think Boyhood will still win BP, honestly. Though, the other two choices would Birdman and American Sniper. The latter would have thatMillion Dollar Baby sort of effect but IDK. Bradley Cooper would be a dark horse, an Adrien Brody if the voters are too divided by Redmayne and Keaton. If Redmayne wins BAFTA, as he has won Globe and SAG already, I am predicting him to win. I see it as another Mickey Rourke/Sean Penn sort of thing where Rourke and Keaton had that comeback thing with critically acclaimed films and Penn/Redmayne portrayed real people and the films were received very well. Though Redmayne has that transformation factor.
“the “Sniper Boyman” crowd could split to give Imitation Game and/or Grand Budapest Hotel a chance to sneak in there.”
I think it’s a lot harder to “sneak in” when it’s a preferential ballot where consensus will more likely prevail.
And Keaton losing at SAG is a strong sign that the film does not have complete support from the actors branch.
How many people vote for each award? Isn’t it like 6000 for the Oscars (including all the branches) and then SAG is like 28 times that?
“Alan of NY, slumdog won SAG ensemble. The least loud, big name nominees of the bunch.”
I agree that it does not have the biggest names among Doubt, Milk, Frost/Nixon, Benjamin Button, but it does have a really huge cast. And its acting is not subdued by any stretch of imagination. Quite exuberant in comparison to the other nominees. When the acting/cast are equally large and “loud” among the five nominees, the clear BP frontrunner, which Slumdog was the only one, would most likely prevail.
I should also note that SAG has a sweet tooth for films that are both dramatic and comedic. True dramas wins SAG ensemble only 1/3 of the time, while the Oscar BP winners heavily favor dramatic movies. Looking at the nominees this year, like American Hustle last year, Birdman had it in the bag. In the 19 years of its existence, the SAG ensemble winners went on to win Oscar BP 47% of the time. Hardly a strong precursor.
ROBERT A. “Blazing Saddles, Chinatown, Earthquake, The Longest Yard, and The Towering Inferno. Only two of the editing nominations were from BP nominees (Chinatown and The Towering Inferno). Madness, I tell you!”
I AGREE! AMPAS’ choices have proven maddening for years. “Chinatown” should have won that year of the nominees. But Walter Murch was definitely robbed of a nomination for Godfather II. I’ve noticed that editing/directing awards often go hand-in-hand . . . I think because of all the crafts, a director can oversee and impact the work of an editor more closely than other crafts. Many times the director will just leave the costume designer alone, or will simply approve the scores of a composer for the film. Editing is another baby altogether. Perhaps that’s why ‘best editing” is such a key award to winning Best Picture. It’s certainly the one most closely aligned to Director/Picture.
So if “Birdman” wins, I think it would be an upset, definitely. I know it’s not in the conversation on these threads, but I think “The Imitation Game” is the one film that could sneak in there and surprise everyone. It has such a broad base of appeal . . . the “Sniper Boyman” crowd could split to give
Imitation Game and/or Grand Budapest Hotel a chance to sneak in there. I just don’t think “Boyhood” has it sewn up. It’s the favorite, yes I agree with that, but it’s not a sure thing. The film does have its detractors.
Anyone who says anything is a “safe bet” at this point obviously hasn’t been paying attention to the Academy over the years.
Even if Birdman won PGA, SAG and DGA, I wouldn’t call it a safe bet. Putting aside the editing stat argument (which to me is pretty strong though not necessarily irrefutable), the quirky film simply doesn’t feel like the kind of movie the Academy picks. Some votes of passion, perhaps. But a consensus? Unlikely, I’d say.
The PGA may have gone for the film simply because it feels more polished as opposed to the somewhat experimental Boyhood. And Keaton losing at SAG is a strong sign that the film does not have complete support from the actors branch.
The safe bet right now is Birdman.
YAY! 😀
But both Boyhood and Birdman were SNUBBED by the Location Managers Guild!!!!
Outstanding Locations in a Contemporary Film
CHEF (Kei Rowan-Young)
GONE GIRL (Rick Schuler and Steve Mapel)
NIGHTCRAWLER (Curtis Collins and Mike Brewer)
THE GAMBLER (Chris Baugh)
WILD (Nancy Haecker)
Outstanding Locations in a Period Film
FURY (Russell Lodge and Lee Robertson)
INHERENT VICE (Larry Ring and Scott Fitzgerald)
SELMA (Wes Hagen and Leif Tilden)
THE GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL (Klaus Darrelmann)
THE IMITATION GAME (David Broder and Richard George)
Alan of NY, slumdog won SAG ensemble. The least loud, big name nominees of the bunch
“On a cursory glance, it looks like the Academy used to spread the wealth among a larger and more diverse collection of movies. I’d argue that Oscar campaigning has grown more intense in the past few decades, especially when such big bucks are at stake (in home video, DVD, worldwide sales) . And as it’s grown more competitive and expensive, I believe the pool of viable Oscar contenders has shrunk. By the end of the year, critics’ groups, pundits and studios narrow the field to about a dozen pictures. Few folks want to waste their votes on films that aren’t seen as legit competitors, so the nominations tend to concentrate on that dozen.”
That’s a very good explanation, probably better than mine.
“People make the correlation that a terrific movie is a well-edited one, but I don’t think the average Oscar voter (if there is such a thing) is as fixated or as obsessed with statistics as Oscar sites are.”
OK, but they (the voters) do make the correlation too. Why wouldn’t they? They’re people too. 🙂 And they don’t exclusively vote for what they like, because, like you said, they don’t want to waste their votes. Which is how the real BP contenders pretty much always make it in in this category. And why the stat is valid. 🙂
“Before the PGA, I’m sure there were statistics that would ”prove” why ”Boyhood” was certain to win, based on various precursors.”
Oh, I’m quite sure there wasn’t any 100% stat (or even close). There’s even a very recent, nearly identical exception, which I’m sure you know about – The Social Network. There are other similar examples in the past – see my analysis above! 🙂
“To me, it’s not a science. It’s a crapshoot. And that’s why there are upsets.”
As long as you can measure movies’ chances so accurately using only the stats (which, in BP, you can), I think it qualifies as science. Wikipedia definition (anybody feel free to correct me if this is an inaccurate definition) for science: “a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about” etc.
Sounds very familiar to me… It’s probability and statistics. It’s scientific in the approach (the stats-based approach, I mean, not the intuitive approach).
“Maybe Sasha’s “Boyman” term has really been a hint all along — Boyhood and Birdman will end up tied for Best Picture!”
Honestly, I feel like that would be the best outcome possible this year (because I feel like Birdman is the best movie of the year based on what’s actually on screen, but I feel sorry for Boyhood, which is also great, and it probably is the best achievement in cinema this year, so I’d totally be OK with a tie), but, sadly, it’s virtually impossible. The rules won’t allow for it. I guess it IS possible, technically, if both movies get the exact same number of 1st, 2nd, 3rd… 7th and 8th places, but the chances of that happening must be astronomical.
Maybe Sasha’s “Boyman” term has really been a hint all along — Boyhood and Birdman will end up tied for Best Picture!
Thanks Sasha! Good luck
”OK, but, clearly, by now, most of them MUST be aware of the stat. … How do you explain the fact that the editing stat had lots of exceptions, appearing almost regularly, especially during the first few decades, but then, since 1980, it has had none? What changed? … Just a fluke, a statistical anomaly?”
Purely speculation, but I think one factor is how Oscar voting has changed. I’m sure you know the editing stats far better than I, so I will take your word that there used to be ”lots of exceptions, appearing almost regularly … but since 1980, it has had none.” I just took a quick Google and see that for the first 20 years of the Editing Oscar (1934-1953), only 3 Best Picture winners also won the prize for Editing: ”Gone With the Wind” (1939), ”The Best Years of Our Lives” (1946) and ”From Here to Eternity” (1953). The first Editing Oscar went to ”Eskimo” (1934), which was nominated for Editing … and nothing else. There were editors who won Oscars for movies that weren’t even up for Best Picture, like ”North West Mounted Police” (1940) and ”Air Force” (1943).
On a cursory glance, it looks like the Academy used to spread the wealth among a larger and more diverse collection of movies. I’d argue that Oscar campaigning has grown more intense in the past few decades, especially when such big bucks are at stake (in home video, DVD, worldwide sales) . And as it’s grown more competitive and expensive, I believe the pool of viable Oscar contenders has shrunk. By the end of the year, critics’ groups, pundits and studios narrow the field to about a dozen pictures. Few folks want to waste their votes on films that aren’t seen as legit competitors, so the nominations tend to concentrate on that dozen. People make the correlation that a terrific movie is a well-edited one, but I don’t think the average Oscar voter (if there is such a thing) is as fixated or as obsessed with statistics as Oscar sites are. Before the PGA, I’m sure there were statistics that would ”prove” why ”Boyhood” was certain to win, based on various precursors. But then it lost. To me, it’s not a science. It’s a crapshoot. And that’s why there are upsets.
Well one stat that didn’t hold true this year was the NBR Best Film being a Best Picture nominee, but the BFCA score metric did hold true with all eight Best Pic nominees having a score of 85 or higher. It’s mostly been an unpredictable year though and I don’t see either Boyhood or Birdman winning.this; I see a 2010 redux occurring :p
Wow! Patricia Arquette looks hot in that picture!
Film Fatale, you might re-read what I wrote: ”If it were truly neck and neck, Redmayne might’ve at least won a few major Best Actor trophies along the way. It’s not like there’s been some seesawing battle between them.” I wrote ”a FEW major Best Actor trophies.” I didn’t say Redmayne hadn’t won ANY or ”zero.” Besides, we were talking about the battle between Keaton and Redmayne. They didn’t go head-to-head at the Globes. As opposed to the many awards where the critics CHOSE to honor Keaton over Redmayne. That’s why Redmayne’s SAG win was a surprise. It’s his first major victory over Keaton.
@WW
Uh, Redmayne won be Globe for actor/drama. That’s a major precursor award where you’ve said that he bagged zero.
This year reminds me of 2005 when, at first, ‘Sideways’ was winning Best Picture awards left and right. But then, in comes the knockout punch from ‘Million Dollar Baby!’ That year, it was initially thought that Martin Scorsese’s ‘The Aviator’ would win it all – both Picture and Director. Surprise surprise! It didn’t win. To Sasha’s credit, when it comes to Oscar season, it really helps if you’re Clint Eastwood. If it hadn’t been for the phenomenal finale to Peter Jackson’s LOTR trilogy, ‘Mystic River’ would have won both Best Picture and Best Director that year; yet another masterful film by Mr. Eastwood. This year started out predictable, but now it has gone topsy turvy. I honestly don’t know how to call this one anymore. I think I’ll just sit back and enjoy the ride.
“1974 The Godfather, Part II”
I’m always left speechless when I’m reminded that The Godfather Part II received no editing nomination. The editing nominations that year were Blazing Saddles, Chinatown, Earthquake, The Longest Yard, and The Towering Inferno. Only two of the editing nominations were from BP nominees (Chinatown and The Towering Inferno). Madness, I tell you!
It’s statistically more likely to win Best Picture without an acting nomination (~12.8%) than without an editing nomination (~11.3%).
So go THE GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL!!!
Since the introduction of the Editing category in 1934 only 9 films have won the Best Picture Oscar without having also been a nominee for Best Editing ….
1934 It Happened One Night
1936 The Life of Emile Zola
1948 Hamlet
1955 Marty
1963 Tom Jones
1966 A Man for All Seasons
1974 The Godfather, Part II
1977 Annie Hall
and the last film to accomplish this feat way back in 1980 Robert Redford’s Ordinary People.
Sasha, no it would not be funny if Clint won the DGA and America sniper won bp. I am a liberal who like American sniper but it would be 4th behind Boyhood, Birdman and Selma on my ballot if I could vote.
I love Birdman but Boyhood is clearly the best picture of the year and better than oscar winners no county and departed to name 2 .
I struggle to find a single reason why Eastwood would win DGA unless it’s the obvious “Hey, it’s Clint” explanation. That would be the most unfair, ridiculous award of all.
Like Julief, I’m a huge Birdman fan but seeing Boyhood on shaky ground hurts my heart, and I love Linklater too much to see his lifetime project go home empty-handed. I have this awful feeling that if Boyhood loses BP, then it loses BD too. It just wouldn’t deserve it.
“The season has offered up nothing but surprises do far, thrusting the pundits to run around the hen house like chickens with our heads cut off.”
Actually, the season has had only ONE (or two) surprises with regards the BP race. PGA picked Bird over Boy. Globes picked Budapest over Bird. Other than that, everything has been going as expected, especially Linklater sweeping. Yeah, if Clint wins DGA. That would be… Wow!
If Birdman wins DGA and/or ACE (irrespective of no Oscar nod), then BP is over. Losing DGA AND WGA might knock it out entirely from BP.
If Boyhood wins two out of three for DGA/ACE/WGA then it’s the frontrunner again. Winning DGA might correspond to Linklater winning, but not necessarily for BP
And I do agree if Sniper wins DGA and either ACE/WGA then look out on Oscar night (might even see Cooper swept up in that).