Finally, The Holdovers wins a well-deserved award for Screenplay. Congratulations. Take a bow.
2024 WRITERS GUILD AWARDS:
WINNERS ANNOUNCED
Los Angeles and New York – Writers Guild of America West (WGAW) and Writers Guild of America East (WGAE) announced the winners of the 2024 Writers Guild Awards for outstanding achievement in writing for film, television, new media, news, radio/audio, and promotional categories during concurrent ceremonies.
SCREENPLAY WINNERS
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
The Holdovers, Written by David Hemingson; Focus Features
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
American Fiction, Screenplay by Cord Jefferson, Based upon the novel Erasure by Percival Everett; Amazon MGM Studios
DOCUMENTARY SCREENPLAY
The Pigeon Tunnel, Written by Errol Morris; Apple Original Films
TELEVISION AND NEW MEDIA WINNERS
DRAMA SERIES
Succession, Written by Will Arbery, Jesse Armstrong, Miriam Battye, Jon Brown, Jamie Carragher, Ted Cohen, Nate Elston, Francesca Gardiner, Callie Hersheway, Lucy Prebble, Georgia Pritchett, Tony Roche, Susan Soon He Stanton, Will Tracy; HBO | Max
COMEDY SERIES
The Bear, Written by Karen Joseph Adcock, Joanna Calo, Kelly Galuska, Rene Gube, Sofya Levitsky-Weitz, Stacy Osei-Kuffour, Alex Russell, Catherine Schetina, Christopher Storer; FX Networks
NEW SERIES
The Last of Us, Written by Neil Druckmann, Craig Mazin; HBO | Max
LIMITED SERIES
Beef, Written by Joanna Calo, Bathsheba Doran, Jean Kyoung Frazier, Niko Gutierrez-Kovner, Lee Sung Jin, Alice Ju, Carrie Kemper, Mike Makowsky, Marie Hanhnhon Nguyen, Kevin Rosen, Alex Russell; Netflix
TV & NEW MEDIA MOTION PICTURES
Quiz Lady, Written by Jen D’Angelo; Hulu
ANIMATION
“Carl Carlson Rides Again” (The Simpsons), Written by Loni Steele Sosthand; Fox
EPISODIC DRAMA
“Living+” (Succession), Written by Georgia Pritchett & Will Arbery; HBO | Max
EPISODIC COMEDY
“Escape From Shit Mountain” (Poker Face), Written by Nora Zuckerman & Lilla Zuckerman; Peacock
COMEDY/VARIETY TALK SERIES
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, Senior Writers Daniel O’Brien, Owen Parsons, Charlie Redd, Joanna Rothkopf, Seena Vali Writers Johnathan Appel, Ali Barthwell, Tim Carvell, Liz Hynes, Ryan Ken, Mark Kramer, Sofia Manfredi, John Oliver, Taylor Kay Phillips, Chrissy Shackelford; HBO | Max
COMEDY/VARIETY SKETCH SERIES
I Think You Should Leave with Tim Robinson, Writers Tim Robinson, Zach Kanin, John Solomon, Gary Richardson, Reggie Henke, Brendan Jennings, Patti Harrison; Netflix
COMEDY/VARIETY SPECIALS
Sarah Silverman: Someone You Love, Written by Sarah Silverman; HBO | Max
QUIZ AND AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
The Chase, Head Writer David Levinson Wilk Writers Erik Agard, Kyle Beakley, Micki Boden, Megan Broussard, Jonathan Daly, Brian Greene, Robert King, Jason Lundell, Sierra Mannie, Amy Ozols, Bobby Patton, Ellen Teitel, Ari Yolkut; ABC
DAYTIME DRAMA
Days of Our Lives, Head Writer Ron Carlivati Creative Consultant Ryan Quan Writers Sonja Alarr, Jazmen Darnell Brown, Joanna Cohen, Carolyn Culliton, Richard Culliton, Cheryl Davis, Kirk Doering, Christopher Dunn, Jamey Giddens, David Kreizman, Henry Newman, Dave Ryan, Katherine D. Schock; Peacock
CHILDREN’S EPISODIC, LONG FORM AND SPECIALS
“Romance Dawn” (One Piece), Written by Matt Owens & Steven Maeda; Netflix
SHORT FORM NEW MEDIA
Carpool Karaoke: The Series, Written by Casey Stewart, David Young; Apple TV+
DOCUMENTARY SCRIPT
“Episode One: Blood Memory” (The American Buffalo), Written by Dayton Duncan; PBS
NEWS SCRIPT – REGULARLY SCHEDULED, BULLETIN, OR BREAKING REPORT
“Surprise Attack!” (CBS Weekend News), Written by J. Craig Wilson, Ambrose Raferty; CBS News
NEWS SCRIPT – ANALYSIS, FEATURE, OR COMMENTARY
“Healing and Hope” (60 Minutes), Written by Scott Pelley, Nicole Young, Kristin Steve; CBS News
DIGITAL NEWS
“The Persuaders: A 5-Part Investigation into the Union-Busting Industry,” Written by Dave Jamieson; HuffPost
RADIO/AUDIO WINNERS
RADIO/AUDIO DOCUMENTARY
“The Call” (This American Life), Written by Mary Harris; Slate
RADIO/AUDIO NEWS SCRIPT – REGULARLY SCHEDULED, BULLETIN, OR BREAKING REPORT
“World News This Week – Week of March 17, 2023,” Written by Joy Piazza; ABC News Radio
RADIO/AUDIO NEWS SCRIPT – ANALYSIS, FEATURE, OR COMMENTARY
“The Diagnosis Was Fatal. She Couldn’t Get an Abortion” (What Next), Written by Madeline Ducharme and Mary Harris; Slate
PROMOTIONAL WRITING WINNERS
ON AIR PROMOTION
“WCBS AM Promos,” Written by Bill Tynan; WCBS Newsradio 880
Expected.
I don’t think it’s fair hold Poor Things not winning adapted screenplay anywhere notable as proof against it being second place when the only way The Holdovers was able to win a screenplay precursor was that the Oscar winner in the weaker category was not eligible. And even out of the notable awards where Anatomy of a Fall wasn’t nominated, The Holdovers managed to only win one (losing the other to a movie generally perceived to be below Poor Things in adapted screenplay).
I think arguing for what was second place in a season like this is irrelevant. The relevant question would be “what would have won best picture if Oppenheimer wasn’t in the race”. In that case I do think The Holdovers would have won best picture (because even if Poor Things was rising in the right timeframe while The Holdovers was unable to gain momentum, that might have changed with a lack of a frontrunner) but I also think Lanthimos would have won director (after a Scorsese narrative would have fizzled out early on in the race) and I think both would have been very strong.
it’s weird, european horror films rarely make it to the US at all. We get maybe one a year. Since most of them are excellent, I assume there are a ton more that we never get to see.
Noooo not what I mean at all… I hope nor do I believe ANY writer past or present should seek a partisan biased outcome no I don’t believe that has happened as far as guild outcomes ..yet.. hopefully it won’t
Oy it was not about as u steretyp3 it that I have issue wirh in u words: ” a black man stealing from non white man ” u KNOW i representative of a minority a jew n with m3ntal health challenges where I am turn8ng a corner ..but that incredibly untrue of context my issue pls don’t perpetuate that u didn’t c I had two black actors as amongst my favourites in my top 5 fav actors of all time..
No my issue I overcome mate is simply that best Screenplay DiD not win on matter of merit not as u carelessly say that it issue bout race I NO issue ei4h black person ever winning oscar did u miss my praise for Steve mcqueens landmark 12 yrs a slave?
Now I may have USED to come across me bring one dimensional ‘ whiteist’ but I never been seen or told I that way by anyone in my life..I actually trying take more care how I tackle these issues so this all in mind.. I appreciate u focus on remaining 95% of review it subjective of minor 3 % reference to Fiction and also consider this fsct : most my last gees like 10 posts estimate NOT Bern bout American Fiction.
So I let bygones be bygones now and in gorseeable long term future I do my bit but pls don’t EVER make me out to complain bout black or different ethnicity winning oscar it do worh quality of film to me and the impact impression contribution to cinema that parameter I ASSESS merit of ALL oscar comtrnders NOT along lines of race and ESPECIALLY in THESE TIMES wirh rise of antisemetism and beyond that social cohesion at tipping point as world get ever closer to wwIII I WOULD BE ‘ DANCING WIRH THE DEVIL ‘ MYSELF TO go bavk to poorcway I USED to express myself but don’t quantify it I do my bit make it issue bout race…there enough isfuesothers ( like trump) make bout race and incidentally DiD u year of absolute horror of Australia’s first ever terror attack on A CHRISTIAN church? 2 days after nsw worst ever stabbing massacre of 6 pple by guy who refused to trust his Dr. Stay on meds?
Nobody not me or anyone djoulf have issue eith race or minorities so pla don’t mak3 out 5hat what u imply I stand for..
I take offence to that untruth…that NOT context I alluded to minor 3 % that u gravitated more thsn was necessary to so what u think if redt my review??
So moving on
This movie is a mistake in timing. This is not a movie that will help anyone at this time we are living through. What I hear about it, it could put so many wrong ideas in the heads/hearts of angry people. It can lead to more men to make more trouble. Individual men is what I mean too.
People should think. USA is 4300 kilometers end to end. Ukraine from my home is half that distance.
This movie is more and more sounding like an obligation for us to watch.
This movie site is the most friendly place I know online.
Though the conversations send me to google so many times. LOL.
All your stories are gay. I think you might be gay Ryan. LOL.
She likes playing with her food. So too did Emma Stone in Poor Things. A new Oscar trend? LOL
Movies such as this, horror genre, they can come so slow to Europe. I hope before long it will be on streaming or other online ways to see it.
I follow him, he is intelligent and has good heart. His advice about things to watch is NEVER wrong. He should be here.
Is this true? Not a joke? If true, I love you Americans and your scandals. LOL.
This is so revealing. I think what I witnessed parallels what you describe. I didn’t watch along with my mother because I was too young to understand all those deep emotions and, as we pre-pubescent boys called kissing, “mushy stuff”.
But my siblings and I absolutely had to respect the time my mother carved out to watch “her stories”. If we needed her attention, short of a dire emergency, we had to wait. She’d do her ironing while she watched, but that was the only interference allowed.
And she was intensely involved. For instance, these sorts of words were spoken fervently, sometimes shouted, to the TV screen: Don’t do it, April! He’s no good. He’s lying to you. He’ll never leave his wife. Don’t do it, April!
And she and the other housewives on our block would talk over the plots, relationships and cliffhangers in the scripts. Seriously putting their heads together to speculate what the true motive of a character was, or where events were likely to lead.
It was all so vivid to them. I agree, seeing that kind of fictional, dramatic power take hold in people at home simply watching afternoon TV is a key to the human need for . . . what shall I call it? I’d say it’s art.
But so many argue that the soaps aren’t art. I disagree. My mother and other women in the neighborhood felt deeply. They didn’t strictly “believe” what they saw on the soaps. But they honored without apology the places inside them that the soaps touched.
Just did a slight bit if digging but it appears the Olivier awards don’t have a Best Book or Best Score category which is mind-boggling.
I judge Operation Mincemeat’s win very highly since it beat out two musicals that not only won the Best Musical Tony awards, but both won Pulitzer Prizes which is very uncommon for musicals to do. (When you look back on the musicals that won Pulitzers you generally see what are considered the greatest musicals of all time). Not sure if there is an inherent bias against American Imports. I just know I love the score to Operation Mincemeat, one great song after the next. (on a side note – If Next to Normal or A Strange Loop ever get turned into movies, consider them Oscar Favorites right from the get go – Along with Fun Home are the three most affecting musicals since Rent in 1996. Amy Adams, rumor only, is trying to get Next to Normal made into a film and if she does, she will win the Oscar for Best Actress and there will be no competition. Trust me on that one.
You know too much about these things. I need to study this and try to come back smarter later.
Meanwhile, want to see something cute?
Phantom is definitely more loved
Know where I stole this Sunset Blvd jpg? From our dear buddy “Phantom” who’s one of my very favorite mutuals on tw*tt*r.
Everything is connected!
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Oh, I agree. And it’s a shame they were they, they didn’t add much. The brief few seconds right before the show came back from commercial would have been enough.
My guess is that were included for purposes of pacing, to give us the actual feeling that we were watching commercials.
actually 1977 – the movie
Merv Griffin aired in the afternoons, Mike Douglas and Dinah Shore were his competition. I would come home and dutifully watch General Hospital and then Merv Griffin.
It was actually because of Merv Griffin my love affair with Sondheim began. Len Cariou of the original cast of Sweeney Todd was a guest. And 12 year old me, needed to see this horror musical. And then three years later it popped up on PBS with Angela Lansbury and my love affair was born.
yeah, it’s tough to say with a revival since it can’t be nominated for Book or Music and compete with the Best Musical in those all too important categories (after all Book and Musical will eventually be the sole determinant of a musical’s long term reputation.
I know Operation Mincemeat is a low budget production while I bet Sunset was a huge production, especially since it’s Andrew Lloyd Weber. The one indicator of true quality though was it winning Best Director.
Now, in New York, Glenn Close famously played the role of Norma Desmond in what might be the highlight of her career (at least among theater people). She started in the theater – in 1974. And her first Tony Nomination came from Barnum in 1980 (which, of course, also gave Torvil and Dean their World Championship Medal in 1983, but in reality was the first contemporary Ice Dancing Long Program but I digress.)
I think her first significant movie role was Garp in 1982, which gave her her first Oscar Nomination (she got nominated 5 times for her first 7 roles – besting even Meryl Streep in that stat).
ANyway, but the time the musical for Sunset Boulevard came out, she was a huge favorite as was the musical to win a bunch of awards. These wins are pretty tempered because this was the worst time for Musicals in Broadway History. (No one would see anything besides Cats, Les Miz and Phantom)
Anyway, in spite of original Tony Success and the musical spawning a couple of canonical songs with Glenn Close, no one opted to make a movie of it. But then Hollywood stopped making musicals.
Maybe it will one day become a movie. It’s going to be tough, though, since it will always be compared to the original film. And the music, taken altogether, is middling Lloyd Weber (JCS, Evita, Cats are all much better) and Phantom is definitely more loved (I am severe detractor, there) – My Favorite Lloyd Weber is actually Aspects of Love which is a totally crazy 5 person Love Pentagon of a show based on a super old Italian novel.
btw, didn’t you spend the past 3 days telling us how the WGA needs to “influence” the Oscars?
The WGA and the Academy agreed about American Fiction. Shouldn’t you be happy?
Or is your new theory that the Oscar awarded to Cord Jefferson wrongly “influenced” the WGA?
But fact 95% of my review was tribute to ultra rare feat given ambition how it was enormously ambitious for first time ever feature filmmaker and you the one who went like holding missile on ONE small minor reference in my review to a certain other film
I read with an editor’s eye, Aaron. I spot things that are fucked up, petty, unnecessary, and distracting.
You put a lot of effort into this review, and then you made the decision to ruin it with your obsessive never-ending tantrum about Cord Jefferson.
You chose to turn your review into another opportunity to be snotty about the Oscar that you think a Black man stole from Nolan.
I’ll quit calling you out when you quit throwing a fit.
Well not exactly disappointing that in my review of ‘ first omen’ that only thing that matters to you ..no…I just putting it into perspective…. Jefferson’s work is overrated…it much more ambitious for first time filmmaker to actually do sonething truly cinematic not drowning in it own political commentary/ cause for all reasons above i outlined if you read the review. What you 5hink of The First Omen? Oh by the way American Fiction only had one good performance in it yet their were as many as 3 incredible performances in First Omen…which already on way making more than Fiction … again see my review
Further I never said now YOUR misreading what I said on Guilds I said I AGREED with you on important role as unions celebrating the finest inn their respective category pre-oscars …pretty straightforward but oversight u middle name ..occasionally no ?
If you don’t agree eith review of first omen or it iscar worthiness that fine but don’t go insisting that one sentence to American Fiction = all you got out of it …like..really ?
I only mentioned that overrated film cos you highlighted it… not cos I did… most my review was well read it cos 95% of my first omen review was NOT comparing it to Fiction…
I appreciate neverhel3ss your objection u CHOSE TO overplay in one sentence out of overall review ( you not think Akasha has very bright future ahead? That film so strong and unique visually cinematically such amazing effort to revive thrills and type of horror do full justice to origin story of existing iconic horror in the omen ..to do THAT level of cinematic ambition and pay-off as truly ultra rare immersive horror tale is UNLIKE ANYTHING a debut feature film as by first time filmmaker done before ).
My intention was only put into perspective Fiction ‘s win as most recent oscar winner …not so mich as you make out that Oppie lost…did I reference the ‘oppie lost’ narrative ? No!
I very confident others when thry see the ‘ first Omen’ could see that academy should appreciate the emergence of new generation ‘ John carpenter’ cos no doubt in my mind Akasha showing signs of serious potential their..I not she a recent graduate of American film institute THIS TYPE OF project for debut filmmaker thst academy SHOULD be proud to nominate or don’t you think it cinematic or significant enough cos it doesn’t dabble with any politics pf today?
This is NOT the prism I argue that is basis for any independent film to win an oscar and I wvknowledge not just American fiction win last year…been issue on Oscars choice number pple has for quite some time ….
But fact 95% of my review was tribute to ultra rare feat given ambition how it was enormously ambitious for first time ever feature filmmaker and you the one who went like holding missile on ONE small minor reference in my review to a certain other film doesn’t that prove bearing in mind what I said here thst I NOT one obsessed about it ?
That actually unfair that all you got out of considered thoughtful review … how bout for change person foes a review u resold to actual review not just one minor minor aspect you fixated on only accounts for barely 2% of a person review ?
You csn disagree my decision to reference that film but thst doesn’t mean you need get ultra frustrated bout it whrn that fraction or half a fraction of points I made right ??
And after you educated me which I truly appreciated combined wirh way I worded things poorly before you rightly pulled me up bout way I perceive Guilds you now stop pretending I dint resoect role of Guilds I insist they are 2 fold… it big honor contrary you deducting it as otherwise that I regard Guilds as influential precursor … to Oscar outcomes…and as you say in complement in fact to what you allude to update uslf on 5his I fully acknowledge that Guilds are unions celebrate best brightest in their respective category and also in addition to bring precursor exist in their own right contribute their OWN LEGACY .. so kindly update way I perceive rhrm thsnx ironically to you . …. got it ? Now u gotta believe me I sorry we clashing again u don’t make it easy . Perspective: I more disappointed you bring back outdated thoughts and feelings I NO LONGER have to Guilds than I am disappointed out of thoughtful considered review to first omen all u extrapolate u own primary secondary focus of one sentence reference to Fiction ….see?
Right? Love that. Personalized the shows. Participated in them.
Queers and Black folk called them “my stories,” oh yeah. https://media2.giphy.com/media/2u6VZ44fPezbjaPWWD/giphy-downsized-small.mp4
(obvs, I’m not posting this to tell you anything. You know 100x more than I can ever know about this topic. This is only to show that I am loosely plugged in.)
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But there’s no way the personal conversations would’ve been recorded,
I see your point. But I’ve learned the hard way to never underestimate what the Devil can do.
I will always remember how in her teens she kidnapped Brad and jailed him in her mansion’s cellar. Shirtless!
As one does.
I haven’t seen this movie. But that won’t stop me from jumping into the conversation.
Late Night with the Devil takes place in the 1980s? (I’m guessing based on the clothes)
I knew a guy in LA who had been a cameraman and assistant director on the Merv Griffin talk show in the 1980s. Greg Something, I can’t remember his last name, because, well…
So Greg had a lot of fun stories. Like, all the “pages” who escorted the audience to their seats were all the cutest little twinks. And how every couple months Merv would have this young hunky country/western singer on the show as his guest — a singer who could not sing for shit. But handsome. And it was common knowledge that this was Merv’s secret boyfriend at the time.
But I digress! At this cameraman’s house in the hills, he had a wall of shelves packed with these enormous multicolor plastic cases, all containing huge thick heavy broadcast video tapes from the ’80s. Episodes of the Merv Griffin show that Greg had shot, and then somehow absconded with these antiquated tapes.
(btw, we probably all already know that Merv Griffin became a billionaire in the ’80s because he invented and created and owned Wheel of Fortune, right?)
Here’s what those monstrous television tapes looked like in the 1980s.
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But there’s no way the personal conversations would’ve been recorded, so it’s total BS they are in there. The filmmakers inserted them because they weren’t confident enough in their material to be told in the original manner. And I knew something was wrong when it took 10 minutes to tell an intro that should’ve been done in 5. Also the Christou segment goes on waaay too long, which means the film was padding its already slender 93 minute running time.
After awhile you do get an odd attachment to some of the characters. If I stumble upon an episode of Young and the Restless and see Tracey, I will always remember how in her teens she kidnapped Brad and jailed him in her mansion’s cellar. Shirtless!
She’s 60 or more now.
So yeah. These actors and characters stick around for dozens of years. And they have histories far more interesting than most of us.
the problem with the dancing ballerina is that the entire film seems to be put into the trailer. Of course it’s not, we just have the final “twist” where we learn those select five or so people were invited and that it’s all part of some larger project or scheme. Or revenge. Or some sick TV show for rich people in Madagascar. You know, something that will allow for sequels to take place within a larger universe.
Dastmalchian was indeed good, but I can’t recall seeing him before, although he does look like some other actors I’ve seen. So maybe I have and I am confusing them all.
I can’t imagine any of this getting nominated except in niche awards or categories, whether it be by budget or genre.
I’m not sure it’s a found footage film in the strictest sense. Sounds to me like the original broadcast got filed away and apparently eventually forgotten. But then someone got a hold of it, and other archived material, and edited them all together. Do recall the first five to ten minutes served as an introduction, so it’s not like someone strolled into a Paranormal House and then watched all the stuff stored on some Master VCR.
any coincidence then that most of guild nominees in say Screenplay end up being oscar nominated in Screenplay?
Most everyone in the Academy writers branch are also WGA members.
Those writers vote on the WGA nominees and then those same writers vote on the Oscar nominees.
Are you seriously asking me if it’s a “coincidence,” when the same people vote twice, their results often match up?
Such a commonplace practice that I didn’t even notice it. No matter whether it’s widespread and consistent in many countries, there’s something off about the need to homogenize skin tones in an illustration. Hard to explain it away, from anything other than the marketing standpoint. So it’s weird that this is an accepted stylization that ever needed to be created. It’s in keeping with the whole aesthetic of the movie being a throwback. But I’m sure it’s still prevalent in contemporary posters too.
When I was a kid, I would hang out with my grandmother and my great-aunt and my mom in the kitchen. I’d listen to them swap barbs, gossip about the neighbors, laugh and argue about this and that.
It was quite some time before I realized that the best and juiciest stories they discussed were not about neighbors at all — they would talk about daytime soap characters as if they were real people and families they had known, and loved, and worried about for years.
Funny to look back on — but it’s not an insignificant factor that contributed to the way my brain is wired up. The way I love movies where the characters confuse reality and imagination. Movies that blur those boundaries for the viewers.
How grateful I am that I’m so easily able to put myself in the world of a movie when I’m watching it. No need for me to “see myself represented onscreen,” because I can slide right into identifying with anyone in a movie that I empathize with — regardless of age, race, or gender.
I think that’s largely because of all those evenings in the kitchen with the matriarchs of my family. The women in my life who got so involved with their “stories” that they regarded the characters as friends, neighbors, and dysfunctional extensions of our own dysfunctional family.
My mother called the soaps she loved “my stories”, too. Maybe a lot of women did? Something they personally possessed and held onto against the rest of life’s ups and downs?
“for all reasons I outlined much BIGGER than Jefferson’s American Fiction.”
Never ever gonna quit being pissed that American Fiction took an Oscar away from Nolan.
My ‘The First Omen’ review … more
OK that was a loaded film review title but I have to honestly say in time of stale reboots and prequels to horror classics like Evil Dead, Saw, too many to count in last 5 years that while they done well at box office on critics front they have flunked…yes that includes unnecessary overkill horror sequels , often criticised for trying do bidding war on next sequel in line to outbid the prior one on rhe gore-a- meter ….and shock and awe in most worst possible way of word of ultra graphic violence against women …where u be forgiven thinking some those directors and writers of well worn out damaged horror prequel genre seem run out of ideas other thsn how much stomach churning gruesome acts on the audience ‘tolerance-a-meter ‘ film goers can take…heck it goes way off the ‘tolerance-a-meter’ …
And all state of art advances and obsession wirh most gruesome goey graphic violence esp against women in too many of these sequels and prequels in last we actually say 7-9 yrs lose sight of the 3 key things that once made horror genre revered and admired at a:
1. Considered depth and intrigue, unpredictable plot twists that go back to basics rather than ways to describe how many ways a character can be dissected cut up , etc.. in writing- fitting then for this review I do thos post( in topic bout excellence in writing in film )- Which Is ‘The First Omen ‘ one of it strongest assets
2. Compelling characters that captivate and grab you through the depth and breadth of ranged emotive performances ….NEVER underestimate value of facial reactions to amplify horror I’m it most impactful unforgettable way…
3. Mastering control of the atmosphere and CHANGES transition in it how gradual how sudden a build up to shock scare is what makes pple jump out of their seat …
The First Omen does all this in spades….but this review is much reflection and very very high praise of Akasha Stevenson accomplishment here for no less a DEBUT FEATURE FILM…
Unlike most debutant feature filmmakers ( Inc last year too )… this is one most daunting cinematic projects and tasks for debut feature film ANY filmmaker can undertake …to do a prequel to classic masterpiece set of films on the 1976 classic THE OMEN… which has be said in different way to the Exorcist found it 9sn unique niche to be a gamechanger in the horror genre …let not forget both these horror masterpieces that redefined cinematic horror were released in transformation pivotal year in cinema … when both technology in film and technical enhancements added extra depth and dimension to horror wirh it effects way scenes photographed, way moments would send a almighty chill down ones spine … using I call ‘ the BIG 3 ‘ principles I outlined above reinventing even at time known cinematic tropes for new kind of at time unsuspecting audience… and fair to say NOBODY KNEW evrn after the Exorcist what to expect… indeed the concept in this genre of dilemmas a d nightmare of father refusing thrn to his horror realising he must slay a child those moments in the 1976 Omen was realisation and reluctance sheer push pull ‘ no can’t be true ‘ but OH IT IS TRUE ‘ !!CONCEPT… and whrn realisations and revelations cone in 1976’s The Omen .. boy do they resonate and stick with you long after credits roll.. it was the performances of Gregory Peck particularly that gradually unmasked the true horror that a seemingly adorable child he adopted- was anything but…
Arkasha Stevenson in this respect set herself a ALMIGHTY terrifying level bar for ANY debut filmmaker to tap into and bring to a modern audience same type of horror that horror fans came to revere from the 1970’s to work 50+ yrs ltr somehow appeal yo existing fan base of the Omen franchise , the essence of chills and moments of the 1976 masterpiece while seeking to explain a prequel back of 50 + yrs ago without losing the audience and critics of today’s film industry expectation .
It adds rise to question and headache she must’ve surely faced: ‘ how do you do FULL JUSTICE TO enhance the legend of a 50+ yo cinematic story itself in The Omen while I add my own cinematic legacy and touches without damaging the setting, purpose and understanding to make events how they told in ‘The First Omen’ to deliberately sonsthing fitting of a worthy prequel without ‘ copying ‘ Omens essence ?
Simple…answer but complex process only sharp focuses visionary mind can conceive : do a revival of presentation,look and feel, but make it work to adapt key moments new characters nor shown on screen yet been referenced strongly in original Omen… much like a graceful chef in a kitchen preparing their first masterpiece to serve the audiences , their hands gracefully seemingly flowing in sync with key moments of music in background , a seamless harmony of actions, mood, and backdrop atmosphere , Arkasha shows remarkably assured hand and a steely resolve within that let all those 3 key devices of Atmosphere, Character(s) , and key plot twists / revelations moments letting her instinctive eye and mind and trust in has be said what can only be described as some truly harrowing scenes to which such demands on such young and very talented Actress in Nell Tiger Free, as she unwittingly to her utter horror discovers very horrors she teamed up with of the ‘ pro true Christian ‘ cardinals / allies within the church to stop that she is at the centre of the biggest conspiracy to plague the church in a generation.. to bring bout birth of anti christ she thought she would bring an end to but noooo as we know it on contrary she was unwitting HOST to most harrowing birth scene since Alien!
In fact full credit to Akasha because there more rhan dark reference if u keep it in u mind during THAT scene or scenes to essence of Alien..just consider for a moment ..to innocent manipulated ‘Margaret’ who was the pawn in evil cardinals priest scheme to bring about birth of Satan’s son, thst from Margaret’s perspective , it was birth she did not want to her this spawn of Satan ala the Anti Christ was nor un line with her true values …but biggest tragedy of this character is how her naive innocence was superficially inflated by those darker forces … full credit to performances if some truly skilled iconic veteran actors and actresses to bring biut role they played of ultimate manipulative scheming evil cardinals and priestesses / heads of the church …
In fact the casting choices were inspirational I no doubt Arkasha had guiding hand in it.. casting Bill Nighy as real dark ‘leader’ is special mention…too..
But most unique edge that Akasha brings that is significant her signature niche to ENHANCE the Essence of ‘The First Omen’ is from line and idea of Margaret’s ‘ over-active imagination ‘ in line ” WHAT REAL AND WHAT NOT ‘ and Akasha shows gentle and confronting tease of something much darker where visions of whwt Margaret imagines clashes with what real..
But cos the character was ‘ groomed ‘ and ‘set up ‘ and ‘ protected ‘ until she was ready as chosen one give birth to son of all evil, Akasha uses both wit and startling level of inspired originality to bring most unforgettably transition of both Margaret’s bigger picture transition and the MICRO- TRANSITION – through her expressions trying make sense what happened to transition to something or some presence in dark rooms wirh her…what indeed to audience is ‘ real ‘ what not ?
It a Tease That to me brings out memory extrapolating yhe line into a genius reality from another film of one of the MOST famous lines in ANY film – ” have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?” Guess where that from who said that ?
And in many ways ultimately this is how Akasha translates thanx to her vidionary ambitious filfilling direction and the incredible central performance of Tiger Free while acknowledge sinister roles of most senior morally corrupt cardinal and most senior nun / priest her approach to the cinematic vernacular and language to propel this narrative that does full justice thrn some to ‘The First Omen’ ..
It very much IS narrative from almost outset of the film to chilling cliffhanger ending of big , dark , risky dance with the devil …add to the fact Margaret doesn’t know about it, combined with unfolding signs and warnings… where things as simple as drawings or carvings on walls… ‘ tease us’ the audience with Margaret’s unwanted unknowing gradually unfolding ‘ dance wirh the Devil’ ….
What most unique is Akasha does this amplifying and resurrecting the essence of the without or minimal deviation from cinematic heights mood and atmosphere and utterly hone chilling convincing acting to really hammer home emotive and visual horrors that engulf the church seen through eyes if sister Margaret…through traditional means save some critical truly necessarily gruesome moments …( only at selected times not overtly prolonged makes it truly unique in restraint and way those moments revealed by Akasha and her miracle cinematograoher too has he said like wow!!)
Thee entire film you could argue could be titled ” the unwitting dance with the devil – before the second coming ”
But ey.. really in truth it us the FIRST OMEN rightly and whqt a way to visually p8rtrqy and so seamlessly and shockingly through largely traditional means and incredible use of make up and prosthetics for key moments .
It ONLY because the First Omen comes after a long line of public fatigue one too many prequel/ sequel overkill in yje horror genre and ONLY I wager with you cod of extensive prequel sequel fatigue I blame entirely on previous horror entries sloppy writing uninspired flat uninvetive stories …that ONLY reason the First Omen not libed yo expectations at the box office domestically..this is hence not the fault of this amazing cinematic achivement … it was casualty bring latest in long line of audience put off prequels…it real shame cos not that it didn’t relieve croricsl acclaim for horror prequel it rated higher rhan any other prequel horror film that pretty strong …for Akasha, the team and the First Omen..
We should be celebrating this accomplishment as Akasha and her Actress Tiger Free well n truly announced themselves in the cinematic stage in fsct unlike too msny debutant filmmskers first feature films with LIMITED exceptions in rhepast decade , seeing this film it felt genuinely like a filmaker veterans work NOT a debut feature film…
This is on scale and scope and ambition for all reasons I outlined much BIGGER than Jefferson’s American Fiction, while it different film as they both form of cinema thevexpandive cinematic vibe and vision and energy and ambition for this years Oscars come up at end if year don’t be surprised if Akasha get nomination maybe 3ven a win for ( it be adapted or originsl ? Screenplay ?) And possibly best director Oscar nomination…cos eho here can profess to seeing such impactful remarkable inspired fearless cinematic accomplushmrnt like a prequel adds it oen legacy to absolute masterful classic ?
This is type of film veteran filmmskers do NOT First time filmmaker!
Sky the limit for Akasha a new generation filmmaker that has resurrected the filmmaking and cinematic prowess and power and impact of lessons drawn from older films..she respects it and honours it and harnesses ..to tremendous effect…
The First Omen is not just sign thst a prequel can be unforgettable to original classic , but it also a FIRST OMEN of arrival of the PRODIGAL ‘daughter’ of forefathers and foremothers of clever filmmaking from the 1970’s.. the arrival in this world we should be fortunate look eith anticipation to Akasha’s preordained destiny ..a blessing to us all as is Tiger Free ( deserving of Oscar nomination. Definitely ) …blessing to us in real dark times breathe cinematic inspiration into one best not just horror prequel but best prequel in LEAST A DECADE or ever !
What you think of ‘The First Omen’? You look forward roo in anticipation of Akasha and Tiger Free’s next films ?
Bold prediction: First Horror film in long time get oscar nominations in either Directing and Picture and Actress or Writing , picture and Actress in decades…
Oscar bold predictions nominations (8
nominations ):
– Picture
– Screenplay
– Actress
– Score
– Make-up
– Cinematography
– Costume design
– Production design
4.5 stars ( maximum for horror prequel before this gem was 3 stars by way)
87% ( devils number much ? ) But amazing rating for cinematic resinsnce and impact for horror franchise prequel!
On the bright side:
Stormy Daniels, WGA member.
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The whole idea the the guilds and BAFTA and critics have no use except to serve the Oscars is disgusting to me.
Oppenheimer dwarfed all others but this is a good list cause it shows that Barbie got more wins than Poor Things. I think that mishandling of Gerwig and Robbie snubs in Director and Acting soured the voters on the movie, otherwise it would have won the 2 techs that Poor Things won. But not thanking on producer and screenplay noms was arrogant, and nominated cast apologizing for being nominated was beyond stupid and ilnsulting.
Guilds can presage the Oscars.
Guilds don’t control the Oscars.
Guilds are a useful tool in prediction. Because they give us the first indication of how film industry people are thinking.
It’s been proven reliable for decades that WGA members and Oscar members are thinking the same way simultaneously.
Simply because the guilds announce what they think first does not cause Oscar voters to suddenly think the same way.
That’s absurd.
The guilds just let us know what expect.
Oy, it’s mind-numbing to type out something so basic.
You read what I said and derived the exact opposite meaning from what I wrote.
It’s a waste of time to discuss this with you.
Aaron, will you please stop.
This year’s WGA date change anomally definitively disproves this dumb drum you keep beating.
Explain to us how the WGA nominations “influenced” the Oscar nominations this year.
Oscar nominations were announced Jan 23.
WGA nominations were announced Feb 21.
Fucks your whole hypothesis all to hell.
The world did not stop spinning.
..like the guilds any coincidence then that most of guild nominees in say Screenplay end up being oscar nominated in Screenplay? They do thankfully the guilds field big influence on direction that a good thing given structure how whole pointy end awards season MOSTLY operated on since guilds wre introduced no?
I may have believe it or not unintentionally forgotten what you said.. apologies…
However I appreciate if you saw some context to to what I said… cos I asked rather than declared or said you said what u didn’t say I asked as question whether or not it true that 90% pf time guild winners are the oacar winners for big 3 since 1970’s ie since it modernisation have best picture director and writers guild winners well have 2 out of those 3 guild winners gone in to win their respective Oscars?
…. you can’t expect people to remember every single line what you said in past poat whrn precisely a past online post accounts for like .2% of a person’s life…
Do YOU remember or do you ever make umintrntional mistake to misrepresent what person says online ? We all do it maybe in u case more infrequent than me.. so that in mind… I ask you you clearly don’t believe Guilds are important precursor that shaped oscar outcomes ?
Issue isn’t wherher or not Oscars have mind of their own wirh voting as you said I quite sure u alluded to this point before : Guilds are union representatives all dedicated hard-working outstanding creative minds look out for their interst in their respective category organisation right ? I support this sentiment of urs too by way..
But point is HISTORICALLY don’t you part value role of Guilds in BIGGER PICTURE of awards season. Not just cos their union represe tation and organisation to celebrate very best of their respective categories ie writing or producing but ie:
Is it not true since say 1970 90% of major oscar winners of best picture rhey CHOSE to back in films that won producers guild and or writers guild choice or alternatively isn’t it true 90% of directors guild win directing oscar as well as say SAG win = major acting win ?
These are FAIR questions not as presumptive as u made whatbi said out to be mate so what u think ? Def feel free to enlighten us on my question ey?
a film doesn’t need to win Screenplay to win Best Picture. Again, it’s the whole AMPAS voting. It got wins from FOUR branches… The Holdovers could only get one of its 2 acting noms, and nothing else. Anatomy of a Fall got support from Directors, Writers and Actors. Holdovers, from Actors and Writers (and Editors, but it had zero chance there). Plus, Anatomy had one thing going for it, it was NOT eligible at International, so whoever liked the film would have to place it as high as possible in their preferential ballot.
So, I still think that Poor Things was second, Anatomy 3rd… I would really love that the AMPAS would actually the real results of each year, with detail. We would probably be in shock by some of them.
just to note: the whole point of The Blair Witch Project was to be insufferable, so the audience would feel as miserable, lost and confused as the main characters, creating an empathy between them and the audience… that resulted in many people disconnecting, but those who connected – myself included – think it’s a landmark not only in horror but also in cinema itself. It really reinvented the wheel, just by going to the basics.
It really should have been nominated for Picture, Original Screenplay and Sound Mixing, maybe Heather Donahue for Actress… but Artisan wasn’t interested in spending some of those millions, in Awards campaigning. Looking back at 1999, we could say that The Matrix and The Blair Witch Project cast the biggest shadows on the cinema that came later. Both robbed of Best Picture nominations… I can understand that Fight Club was a bomb at the b.o. and too divisive with critics, but The Matrix and The Blair Witch Project DID score raves and a demential b.o. success and became ultra-popular… this could be the best example of precedent of 2008 when both The Dark Knight and Wall·E got snubbed from a Best Picture nomination…
Late Night with the Devil, I think by the end of the year – haven’t seen it, but reviews are out, so I can have an overall idea – will be vindicated, specially for Awards consideration for David Dastmalchian… I heard he’s really engaging on this one, which simply put, ain’t surprising, he’s such a magnetic presence in any film…
It’s coming to the end of April so it’s time to get ready for some theater awards! (They like to announce winners just before the busy summer months)
First up, London’s Olivier Awards (their Tony Equivalent). Obviously these have no bearing on the Oscars, or even the Tonys because the line-ups are so different. And once upon a time, the winners would be turned into Oscar nominated movies. Children of a Lesser God, Dangerous Liasons. But lately, there hasn’t been. something to emerge.
I am predicting, though, that the winner of this year’s best musical, Operation Mincemeat, will eventually become a movie, and if done right, will become a major player in the Oscar race.
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New York Theater noms will start coming out shortly. They might mean nothing to us now. But years from now someone will foolishly pick Fantasia Barrino as a frontrunner just because the lead in the Broadway show won the Tony.
The problem with Devil is it completely shoots itself in the foot. If you’re going to make a found footage movie, don’t include scenes that can never have possibly been recorded off a master tape. Total betrayal of the film’s premise. Outside of the lead actor, the other performances are terrible, notably the other male lead who tries to debunk everything. That’s right out of the Giamatti hambone school of acting. And if you’re going to have a 13-year-old character, don’t get someone who looks like they’re in their 20s. As insufferable as the original Blair Witch was, you at least believed it. Paranormal Activity 1 and 5, the Marked Ones, remain the gold standard on how to do this type of film right.
The good news?
You’re only a few days away from the best film, so far, of 2024 opening!
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I am somewhat perplexed at all of the positive reactions. I suspect because most reviewers and moviegoers don’t think of war at any concrete level. It’s something that happens elsewhere and to other people. Maybe this hit differently because it took place in West Virginia, which, come to think of it, is just as foreign as some countries. But those countries look just like our own.
Back when the Ukraine war was just beginning, you’d read of massacres by the Russian army in various towns. So I looked one up. I found local Ukrainian newspapers translated into English that gave actual locations for one of the massacres. I went to Google Earth and went up and down that street, back and forth, over maybe a mile or more from one end to the next. I couldn’t stop. It could have been any street in small town Pennsylvania. The only noticeable difference was the cars over there were older and smaller. But the people, yup, they looked the same. The athletic guy out for a jog, the woman hanging laundry, some grandmother carrying a tray of lemon squares to give to a sick neighbor. None of us strangers.
The problem is there is no script. There is only a premise.
You are the sole person that feels as I do. LOL.
I did not know that. It still to me does not look correct. At least I am glad it not only is in Italy.
Love when the comments are vastly smarter than the movie!
Editor’s Note:
If the Presidnet was that egregious
Patched that errant typo for you, my friend.
Let’s make it ‘President’
(Although, if he’s meant to represent Trump, could be ‘Prevagen’)
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Late Night with the Devil is good fun. I am sure people will complain about something about, i have no idea what. I thought it to be highly original and unpredictable.
It wasn’t scary so much, nothing really caused me to jump. But the whole premise made it one long scene filled with suspense that just grew and grew.
First theatrical film of the year I can honestly recommend.
(See Alex Edelman’s Just for Us” – more a concert film than anything else – but it’s funny, smart, and wise.)
No one really discusses how this particular civil war begins. It completely ignores the incredible technology and the million person army the US has, not to mention the numerous military bases throughout the country. The US Military is a professional organization, with top down allegiance to the Commander in Chief and the US Constitution.
Yet, in the movie we see the Western Forces using technology that’s more in line with Vietnam than anything current. And that begs the question, “what happened?”
As for the Western Forces of Texas and California working together even though in the movie they are still antagonistic to each other, so what events caused them to joine forces to go against the President in today’s two-party system. If the President was that egregious, he must have support of the SCOTUS and the military at a minimum.
So, yeah, the whole movie is an absurd proposition. It’s meaningless. It’s no better than an action movie.
I compared the film to Oppenheimer elsewhere, each targets an audience that doesn’t demand intellectual vigor in their films. Funny that both are declared important and/or prescient. Neither is neither.
Which is a shame. Because the typical American really needs to examine themselves, their relationship to the media, and the forces which compel them to vote a certain way.
Turns out the real Civil War in the US is Ignorance v Truth. Problem is, everyone thinks they are on the side of the Truth, but only one side can be. That’s what we need to fear. It would be nice if the film had constructed such a polemical premise.
You’d make a great casting director.
“two weeks before the Oscars, this post would have had at least 200 comments”
Give Aaron a little time.
Ha! No need for a helmet. Just an umbrella.
Nothing you are accusing me of saying bears the slightest resemblance to what I actually said.
You have fabricated a total distortion of what I wrote and then you argue with the thing you pretend I said.
You don’t need me in this puppet show you’re doing.
You already have the Imaginary Ryan that you created in your head.
!!!
How can this old movie touch me this way? It is not even anything gay about it.
The director Vincent Minnelli was gay for sure. Some far less reliable rumors say Spencer Tracy may have been bi.
Wiki:
Hollywood Reporter:
Extra Credit:
Frances Goodrich and Albert Hacket were married writing partners. They were Oscar-nominated for Father of the Bride and 3 other movies.
Since this is a Writers Guild post, those same screenwriting partners who wrote Father of the Bride won the Writers Guild Award in 1956 for The Diary of Anne Frank. It was based on their stage play that won the prestigious Pulitzer Prize.
What an amazing page of overlapping conversations you guys have given us here. Feels like strolling though a really smart cocktail party recorded by Robert Altman as a 24-track narrative.
I want so much to dive in and play today, but some personal circumstances have my head too messed up.
Just wanted to pop in and say hi, and thanks for the thoughtful effort you all put into your comments. I read and relish them all.
I was wrong about the Civil War, sad to say. I was hoping it was something else. It turns out it’s an action film. I hated the last third, especially the finale. I liked the first two-thirds, even though it wasn’t saying much. I thought we were going to see the horror of war through the eyes of water reporters. But the film disappointed me and became nihilistic and also not exploitative towards the end. Very sad. I’m not saying the action wasn’t very intense and we made it. It’s just that I hated it like hated the whole Joker film. We’ve seen films about attacking the White House and the US Capitol, but this is the first time it feels more like a provocative rather than a fantasy. It’s not just it feels too real but that it seems to be revelling in it. Garland also seems to have thrown war reporters under the bus as the whole thing felt more exploitative than anything else. Garland is a quality filmmaker so I found this film very surprising and disappointing. Why was this film so wrongheaded? I think it might be the fact that I was conceived as a fantasy rather than a possible real civil war. It was conceived before j6 and all the things that happened since. The premise no longer seems like Fiction and turning it into an action makes it feel nihilistic and exploitative. Put simply, it could be seen as a rallying call for people who want to see the White House abs Capitol attacked similarly. I’m not going to say the film will encourage such violence but we’ve got a former president and one of the leading candidates for president talking about retribution and encouraging his supporters to be violent. Let’s just say it all feels too close for comfort. I expected a film that is warning about, but instead, it’s a film that’s revelling in it.
They have a big influence no doubt but their true worth stats-wise is the nomination. Many guild winners didn’t research at the Oscars. And some who don’t win the guilds do triumph at the Oscars. The Academy just picks winners from one of the frontrunners who have already been heralded as worthy winners. Those have usually won at major precursors. That’s it.
I agree with your top three and in that order. Only Oppenheimer won two or more major categories, but The Holdovers was the closest to winning not just a second (Lead Actor) but a third (Original Screenplay). Poor Things comes in third because it won one major and three other awards. After that, it’s very unclear because you could make for each other films in order from 4 to eight. The only obvious is that Past Lives (sadly) and Maestro were the bottom two. Killers of The Flower Moon had all the key nominations and was very close to winning Lead Actress. Anatomy of a Fall won one major and had the key nominations at the Oscars but not at the guilds. Barbie and American Fiction didn’t have all the key nominations, but both did win one award each, although AF won a major award. It looks to me that AF might have been ahead of Barbie, but it’s hard to judge how it fares against KOTFM and Anatomy, as they were both stronger in the key nominations. I think I’ll maybe put AF in fourth, KOTFM fifth, Anatomy six, Barbie 7, Zone of Interest 8 (didn’t have any acting nominations, and at the guilds and never looked like winning any major category) Past Lives and Maestro.
You’re in good company. My mother loved the soaps. Lest we forget, so did Bette Davis.
To be fair, this is a pretty standard Holdovers poster across countries.
Not just category fraud, but genre fraud.
Nice to see Days of Our Lives win even though there are only two other major competitors.
The writing of soap operas is a dying art. No other shows are forced to constantly reinvent themselves, their characters, and provide the most complex plotlines in all of entertainment. And up until about 6 months ago, Days did a wonderful job. Sure it’s campy, sure it’s lowbrow, sure it’s absurd. But that’s the point. WHen your goal is to pull in your viewers (of all ages) day after day, you have to give them something you can’t find elsewhere.
But clearly budgets were cut and a change in the creative team because of a sexual harassment scandal has ruined the show. It’s almost unwatchable.
“In terms of stats, The Holdovers is at the level of a Best Picture winner in the preferential ballot era.”
This^^.
The Bear still gets to dominate in the Comedy categories at the Emmy’s in September for season two. It’ll then likely continue to steamroll the competition with season three wins in comedy at the end of this year/next year since the new season airs this summer. Category fraud will never die.
Speaking of writing , I have say right now I know argument I all for I’m adaptations for TV series or film adaotumg Screenplay off form of literary source material…
But sometimes there does need be within reason creative discretion especially whrn series or films tonal values and atmosphere and mood through beginning and middle moments of film or season in a series …in terms how ot plays to audiences how audiences able to process evolution of key moments in film or series thrn an ending totally tonally cinematically or streaming wise is at odds with important staple needed essence of grounding in character and setting story arcs at it core get sliced n diced and remade in horribly disjointed way..
I finished watching ‘ she hulk ‘ and sure I read that it season finsle is adapted exactly almost from source comics but as per the aforementioned all humour and candour and character development already inconsistent inconsistencies in series tone in terms how IT PLAYED to streaming audiences already as y had element big disconnect from episode yo episode ..a criticism mwny made biut she hulk which us shame cos had serious potential be something brilliant.. but cos the creators whole series save ending itself used creative digression not just ‘ by the book ‘ adaptation. ‘ mixed and matched across all episodes rhtn s7ddenly revert going by the l3tter from source comics for final awful mess in how it finale played out goes to show hoe poor ending ij series or a film for that matter in general csn undo with one too msny logic defying abrupt jumps to poorly built up outcomes too many out of blue moments disconnected from start snd middle of film or series can UNDO a series potential… lot more CARE needed be dome evrn in Disney plus limuted series rhan was done to make she hulk work.. was entertaining but failed make any Warner whrn spaghetti mess of ending to finale happened… this what happens whrn studio thankfully on occassion but can happen rushes releasing a series ..I playing catch up I hope their next Disney series Loki season 2 is better structured more consistent… of all Disney plus streaming series she hulk may Bern true to comic book love in ut ending but there no connection whatsoever to logic flow ok of events prior and connection yo characters main journey.. it just DIdnt work…sigh.. I still worry very much in writing and execution future direction of mcu…what u think u worried bout ncu after astonishing undoubted Heights of Infinity saga?? Where their 4ithting their planning the character evolution made sense decision making by writers were measured??
This is another topic. I have VPN to watch USA TV. Today on the TCM chan was Elizabeth Taylor. In guess what? Father of the Bride. Oddio! So very good. Twice I cried. So tender. Spenser Tracy, wtf, how good he was. I phoned to my own father after the movie to tell him I loved him. I cried again. My father got worried. He thought I was in trouble. LOL. How can this old movie touch me this way? It is not even anything gay about it. Yet I identified so strongly. Words do not exists to describe the young Elizabeth Taylor.
Bit Ryan Guilds are a precursor historically aren’t they ? Now u saying pga winner should NOT = picture ein moat of time in it history? Or writers guild should not reflect best Screenplay win moat of it history ? Or directors guild should not reflect oscar win moat times in it history which it has? So aren’t you do clarify devaluing role of Guilds where by u orn admission ONLY tiny % of occassion has guild not preceded oscar and so hence in modern era of Oscars since say 1970 isn’t it therefore true that MzoST time oscar RESPECT major award guild outcomes ? Why shouldn’t they ?
U stating obvious that ‘ the ampas x have their oen mind but still as in Any institution in arts precursors are important inductor guide most of time just cos say academy follows after guild that doesn’t mean they don’t have their oen mind…but on balance % wise since 1970, isn’t it fair to say evrn 3ith Oscars own mind that they FOLLOW precursor win of Guilds?
U contradixt8ng u oen argument…u been defender of Guilds as per prior post u told me I for that too but thrn again mate…aren’t u down playing eugnificanc3 of Guilds as guiding light nothing wrong with that and it right thrm do so to inform Oscars choice ? Isn’t this case in 90% of occassions on weighted average between picture / director,/ Screenplay oscar outcomes since 1970? Ey?
Yep, this. Poor Things absolutely wasn’t #2. I mean, realsitically speaking, there was no #2 but if we are talking about a movie that was way behind next in line Holdovers fits the bill. Poor Things doesn’t even with Director nom which doesn’t mean a win (ask ROMA, TPOTD)
Agreed. Poor Things wasn’t #2. Even the Actres win wasn’t a sweep.
Also, CODA and GB won without Director. Director nom =/= stronger contender
Ryan comes in annoyed. Stand back everyone. Cover our heads. LOL
I will show you something about my country. Here we got a Holdovers movies that has Davine Joy Randolf and Paul Giamatti with same skin color. LOL
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I did not see this Holdovers movie. Never got around to. I will openly confess? I spent 3-4 months last year in the belief that it was the football player Dominic Sessa. When later I found out he was not I lost all my interests in seeing it. LOL.
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me neither
again… GUILDS AREN’T OSCARS. Guild winners are voted by the guilds. Oscar winners are voted by the whole Academy, not just the branches, and they may vote for the film they like rather than for the achievement, judged as pros. Guilds are good indicators for nomination and that they can actually take home the Oscar, but The Holdovers vs Poor Things, it was clear on Oscar night how it actually went: 4-1
That’s neat that The Holdovers won.
We haven’t had a single acting winner without a Globe, SAG, or BAFTA win since 2003. I mean…
There’s a thing you may have heard about: correlation is not causation.
Just because two groups of people with nearly identical backgrounds agree on something, does not mean that the first group to weigh in has influenced the second group.
It’s foolish to assume that Oscar voters “wait to see what the PGA will do” before they can know what movie they like.
These are some of the most independent, stubborn, self-assured people on the planet. They do what they want. They are not sheep.
The reason we pay attention to the pre-cursor guilds is not to see how the guild members will “sway Oscar voters”
We watch the guilds to gauge what people in Hollywood are already thinking.
When you pick your personal favorite actresses or directors or movies each year, do you need to wait to see what SAG or DGA or PGA do first?
Of course not. You have your own mind.
Are you more independently-minded than Scorsese, Streep, Sorkin?
Annoys the fuck out of me when people who pretend to know the Oscars inside out can’t grasp the simple math of voting.
Outside of Best Picture, anyone can win an Oscar in any category with as little as 21% of the ballots.
That means 79% of Oscar voters can all prefer another nominee that will lose.
How hard is it to get 20% or 30% of people to agree about anything? It’s easy.
30% of voters think a low-IQ “billionaire” rapist is Jesus Christ.
Poor Things was No. 3 for sure but not No. 2. Its failure to win Adapted Screenplay anywhere (not even BAFTA gave it that win) is telling.
Anatomy of a Fall is not No. 3.
What does a film need to win Best Picture?
1. All key nominations (directing, screenplay, editing) – check.
2. At least one acting nomination – check.
3. A DGA nod – fail.
4. At least one SAG nod – fail.
5. At least one major guild victory (preferably, at least two guild wins) – fail.
It has 2/5. Not even close to enough.
The Holdovers:
1. All key nominations – fail but close. Other films have won without directing.
2. At least one acting nomination – check.
3. A DGA nod – check.
4. At least one SAG nod – check.
5. At least one major guild victory (preferably, at least two guild wins) – check. It has three (WGA, ACE, an individual SAG win).
It has 4/5 (and of the key nods, it missed one).
American Fiction:
1. All key nominations – fail. Missed directing and editing.
2. At least one acting nomination – check.
3. A DGA nod – fail.
4. At least one SAG nod – check.
5. At least one major guild victory (preferably, at least two guild wins) – check on one major guild victory but no second guild win.
It has 3/5 (but even then, its guilds performance was not that strong).
In the end, I would say:
1. Oppenheimer
2. The Holdovers
3. Poor Things (failing to win screenplay anywhere is a bad sign)
4. American Fiction
5. Barbie
6. Anatomy of a Fall
7. The Zone of Interest
8. Killers of the Flower Moon
9. Past Lives
10. Maestro
Well, given how unimaginative their votes are, many of them probably do exactly that.
We haven’t had a single acting winner without a Globe, SAG, or BAFTA win since 2003. I mean…
The Holdovers an individual SAG award, the ACE, and the WGA. In terms of stats, it is at the level of a Best Picture winner in the preferential ballot era.
Anatomy of a Fall has no guild wins. Actually, it failed to receive a DGA nod and a single SAG nod. It would be a gigantic shocker to see such a film win Best Picture (or even consider it close to a victory). In my opinion, both Poor Things and The Holdovers, at the very least, were ahead of it.
You can’t find a single Best Picture winner that won without at least nods from the major guilds and a few significant guild wins.
The Holdovers is back in the race!
I’m never a big fan of the theory that Oscar voters don’t know how to fill out their own ballots unless they can copy off what a guild does.
“Poor Things was probably number 2 in Editing”
The Holdovers beat it to win ACE.
According to Rotten Tomatoes Awards Leaderboard:
1. Oppenheimer, 233 Wins.
2. The Holdovers, 94 Wins.
3. Barbie, 83 Wins.
4. Poor Things, 64 Wins.
5. Killers of the Flower Moon, 53 Wins.
Don’t get offended, but I don’t know in which world you live in, honestly. Poor Things was probably number 2 in Editing and number 3 would be Anatomy of a Fall… I’d say that Killers was 4th given the prestige and the length of the film. The Holdovers was likely lucky to be nominated over Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning and specially the editing nightmare that Spider-Man: Across the Spiderverse is.
Remember one important stuff: the final wins aren’t decided by the guilds, but by the AMPAS as a whole. They can understand the basics – The Zone of Interest winning Sound over Oppenheimer wasn’t exactly a head-scratcher – but Guilds don’t really have to align on its winners, with the Oscars. I think this is more a case of you being a fan of The Holdovers than actual considering what really was going on.
The Holdovers, to win Best Picture NEEDED to win (at least) Actor, S. Actress and Original Screenplay. Once Original went to Anatomy of a Fall, we all knew Anatomy had a bigger shot than expected, and when Giammatti lost, we knew The Holdovers had a consolation prize in Randolph.
What you have to ask yourself is, simply, does “The Holdover” need awards to be a truly great film? I haven’t seen it, but I can tell you my answer: NO. Awards are just marketing and a popularity contest fueled by MONEY. Some of the best things I’ve seen would never stand a chance at Oscars or big campaigning, and that doesn’t change, that I consider some of them, the BEST of their years, even if in some cases, almost no one could have heard of them.
The Holdovers doesn’t need more promotion, it’s a well known film, it was raved and finally it won some big awards. Will it be remembered 20 years from now? I don’t know. But for example, which one has a more passionate following in the year 2024, A Beautiful Mind or Hedwig and the Angry Inch? Which one of them, is a “must-see”? That’s my point. The true award is the test of time… today you won’t find many film critics that would argue that “Gandhi” (8 Oscars) is a better film than John Carpenter’s The Thing (0 noms) or Blade Runner (no wins)
An “unexpected” WGA win would have given the film a nice boost – even for a Best Picture upset.
It won Supporting Actress.
It was probably the runner up in Film Editing (ACE winner).
It was probably the runner up in Original Screenplay (Regional critics win leader + WGA winner).
It was probably the runner up in Best Actor (GG + CC winner).
It has a “bright” Resume – if you ask me.
mmm… I don’t think so. Anatomy of a Fall WON Original Screenplay and The Holdovers only Supporting Actress, losing Original Screenplay to AoaF. In that case, Anatomy would have topped The Holdovers easily in the preferential ballot, it’s my guess.
Basically, I think that the final results would have been something like
1. Oppenheimer (distant winner to number 2)
2. Poor Things (actress + 3 techs)
3. Anatomy of a Fall
4. American Fiction
5. The Holdovers
6. Killers of the Flower Moon (probably was almost 50/50 between Gladstone and Stone, so I give it an edge)
7. Barbie
8. The Zone of Interest (de-powered because it was bound to win International anyways)
9. Past Lives (it had passion votes and no one was really disliking it)
10. Maestro (divisive and too shamelessly Oscarbait)
I thrilled for holdovers … u think outcome dear Sammy would been different in writing oscar if was held BEFORE the Oscars? Could that ensured holdovers wom original Screenplay ?
TIFF winner (American Fiction) and the runner-up (The Holdovers) swept the WGA…!
The Holdovers finished the season with two major guild wins: WGA + ACE..!
Kind of confirmed its runner up position in the BP race.
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Had this been two weeks before the Oscars, this post would have had at least 200 comments by now, with people speculating whether the WGA win could impact the outcome and give The Holdovers a shot at upsetting Anatomy of a Fall. Others would have discussed Oppie’s failure to win any writing awards while being a big Best Picture front-runner. And now… now we have 2 comments. The WGA is always on the brink of being irrelevant due to their ridiculous eligibility criteria. Moving the awards after the Oscars this year made them nothing more than an afterthought.
American Fiction in a mega upset over Oppie. And now the 2023 awards season is officially OVER. No more category fraud wins by drama series The Bear, thank goodness. Now let’s have Strange New Worlds get all the goods for the best sophomore season in recent TV history